Upgrade Dilemma

willhub

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I'm in a dilemma

My PC spec:

Ryzen 1600 @ 3.7
1080ti
16gb DDR 3200 @ 2933
B350 Motherboard

1440P monitor and a lot of games mostly play on 4k TV

Upgrade path

2700x cheap second hand
OR
3700x and stick with B350 motherboard

Now i am wanting to be able to play cities skylines smoother which I think is CPU limited, weirdly enough the past few weeks its speed up loading quite a bit on my Ryzen PC but not the Intel laptop, not sure what's causing that but good anyway!

I also am now considering also upgrade for Ray Tracing as I want to be able to play games with Ray tracing from next year.

I'm not sure what would be best, leave out the ray tracing and go with a 3700x and stick with 1080 till mid next year or go with a 2700x and beginning of next year go with a 2080Ti or something hopefully cheaper but equivilabt by then.

I know it's hard to say how much faster a 3700 will be over a 2700 especially on a B350 motherboard
 
what B350 board do you have ? firstly have to find out if it will Be support, and its VRMs !

at 4K... GPU first! 2080ti is first true 4k GPU... or hopefully 2080 Super going by the rumors its a cut down 2080ti

should be able to get away with 3600x though and have it running 4.6/7ghz all cores hopefully, along with IPC performance increase should help!
 
willhub said:
It's defenitly "supported" as the latest update confirmed that the bios supports it. Here is the mobo:

https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING/
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4C09B 2x 4C06B - VRM set up. currently like Aorus B450 boards, uses 2 lowside Mosfets to 1 Highside and techincally not a full phase unit , thats 2 hi and 2 low. Like MSI Carbon/Tomahawk B450 .

Have a feeling going 3700x and pushing over the 4.6ghz for all cores will get those VRMs throttling - guessing like intel, even on 7nm node, TDP goes out the window with manual overclock.

def worth waiting to see if anyone does reviews on B350 boards !
 
You will have zero issues running a 3700X on that board, I've configured one using a 2700X that boosted fine to 4.35GHz on the crazy auto volts (circa 1.48-1.5), and the VRM heatsinks were not burn your fingers off hot, it passed 24+ hours of CPU/GPU burn-in as well.

Just update your BIOS and enjoy your new CPU once it is out. :)
 
Journey said:
You will have zero issues running a 3700X on that board, I've configured one using a 2700X that boosted fine to 4.35GHz on the crazy auto volts (circa 1.48-1.5), and the VRM heatsinks were not burn your fingers off hot, it passed 24+ hours of CPU/GPU burn-in as well.

Just update your BIOS and enjoy your new CPU once it is out. :)
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Is that 4.35 to all cores. Or just 1/2 ?

Guessing it will depend on if a person overclocks and how .
Have to wait a see if ryzen 3000 auto boost is improved over current ryzen 2000 .

Though personally a waste with 3000hz ram with 3700/800 pushing 4000hz

Skyline is Speed bound OP. Had 8700k and 2700 - clock speed is key . Also mods can have a huge impact on performance . Luckily as patches and dlc have come, managed to rid most of mine, specially traffic ones !
Should find even going 6 core 3600x or 9600k at 5ghz would give a big performance increase . Pathways are what crushes the performance when you get Big cities. Unlock all 32 tiles and BOOM, slow...
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Is that 4.35 to all cores. Or just 1/2 ?

Guessing it will depend on if a person overclocks and how .
Have to wait a see if ryzen 3000 auto boost is improved over current ryzen 2000 .

Though personally a waste with 3000hz ram with 3700/800 pushing 4000hz

Skyline is Speed bound OP. Had 8700k and 2700 - clock speed is key . Also mods can have a huge impact on performance . Luckily as patches and dlc have come, managed to rid most of mine, specially traffic ones !
Should find even going 6 core 3600x or 9600k at 5ghz would give a big performance increase . Pathways are what crushes the performance when you get Big cities. Unlock all 32 tiles and BOOM, slow...
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Standard auto-boost, not an all core OC. I've not seen a 2700X that can do 4.35GHz on non-exotic cooling.

Not sure about the RAM comment, since it's the IMC in the 1600 and RAM IC's holding them back at 2933, once they are set free with a new 3xxx IMC they could easily do 3400+ like most 3200 RAM can with 1.4V+

I quit playing Skylines, it's almost as bad as WoW for losing your time, but not as bad as Civ. :p
 
So with a 3700 my ram would overclock vs currently underclocking?

I have GSkill Trident 3200 RGB 2*16
 
willhub said:
So with a 3700 my ram would overclock vs currently underclocking?

I have GSkill Trident 3200 RGB 2*16
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You have a much, much greater chance, as some of the Ryzen 1xxx CPU's had pee poor IMC's and you were stuck at 2933MHz, due to that and a combinations of poor RAM IC compatibility.

Your first port of call would be getting the CPU, after reading some reviews, but I doubt you'll be needing to change your Mobo or RAM. :)
 
orbitalwalsh said:
4C09B 2x 4C06B - VRM set up. currently like Aorus B450 boards, uses 2 lowside Mosfets to 1 Highside and techincally not a full phase unit , thats 2 hi and 2 low.
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It's not that 2 x hi-side and 2 x low-side are required for a full phase, all you need is at least one of each and in fact it can be better to have just one quality fet of each type. The issue with the Aorus B450s (if what I've read/watched is correct) is that they advertised eight phases but there were only 4 x hi-side mosfets in total, making it impossible to have 8 true phases. So were actually four phases running in parallel as opposed to eight phases. https://www.pcgamesn.com/gigabyte-aorus-b450-8-3-phase-vrm
 
Should be able to hit slightly higher ram speed , if you've got good quality IC memory like Samsung B-Die.

Then you have PCB layers . All boards that set records are based around 8 layers , and these are the likes of Apex, Godlike and Xtreme. Also their ITX counter parts have to be built with higher layer counts , due to the sizing issues. B450 boards and entry X are 4 layers, then mainstream X are 6 layers .

@Journey ANNO 1800 !!!! And then TAB campaign mode end of this month !!!
 
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