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Upgrade from x58 x5670 @ 4.5ghz?

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Hi :)

Per title really. I don't want to lose any cores so am really looking at a second hand x99 5820k setup which for CPU/board/RAM is probably 350-400 on the MM, or a ryzen 1700 new which is more like 700 as id want the crosshair board.

Is the AMD worth the extra cash?

Also anyone know a source that compares IPC performance of my x5670 vs. 5820k vs. Ryzen?
 
IPC difference between the i7-5820K and R7 1700 will be negligible, but the former will clock a bit higher and the latter has 4 extra virtual cores. What is the reason for upgrading? If it's gaming you'll probably be disappointed; Westmere can drive a GTX 1080 fine, particularly at 3440x1440. Are you seeing CPU usage spikes or GPU usage dips?
 
The way i see it is that overclocking on the Ryzen is poor, but its fast out of the box, however the 5820k and upwards when overclocked is a fair way ahead. So basically if your not overclocking then go for the Ryzen setup. As for vs the x5670 your looking at a 30-40% increase on ipc at least. My only pause for concern is the lower end x99 cpus are a lottery on overclocking potential, i've had mythical "J" batch 5820k's that struggle to hit 4.3 ghz so don't even consider someones 'never been overclocked 5820k' as its most likely a lie and its just a poor clocker.
 
I think the 1700 is 8c16t so has that going for it as well. Whatever I get will be overclocked as far as I can get before diminishing returns on voltage etc. set in.

Mainly games but there are a couple of other reasons - x58 is just creaking a bit now. I'd like to get into the newer PCIe SSDs and I only have two flaky USB3 ports etc.

Feels like I've had my money's worth and it's time to move on but perhaps I should wait it out...
 
And yes, I also have a 1440p 144hz screen which seems to show some CPU a bottleneck.

A good example - you can see drops in Doom on OpenGL and GPU usage never exceeds 70%. If you switch to Vulcan, which makes life easier for older CPUs, I get massive boosts and 100% solid GPU load.

Shame more games don't work like that :)
 
I'm also looking to upgrade this year but unsure weather to go quad or hex core . I'll keep my 980 ti and upgrade cpu mobo ram and pci express ssd
 
Ste said:
I think the 1700 is 8c16t so has that going for it as well. Whatever I get will be overclocked as far as I can get before diminishing returns on voltage etc. set in.

Mainly games but there are a couple of other reasons - x58 is just creaking a bit now. I'd like to get into the newer PCIe SSDs and I only have two flaky USB3 ports etc.

Feels like I've had my money's worth and it's time to move on but perhaps I should wait it out...
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I keep thinking a new rig would be nice but I just can't justify it, even with the ~50% IPC improvement on current generation chips and all the extra features. I never use USB 3.0, PCIe nVME SSDs are nice but the difference between them and bog standard SATA AHCI ones is way less than the difference between SSDs and HDDs (in real world scenarios), PCIe 3.0 is useless right now, etc.

The main reason I'd get a new rig right now, assuming my current rig doesn't' suddenly die one day, is purely for fun. I'm not sure if that's worth nearly a grand, to me anyway. Vega will likely improve my experience more than new base components would. I'll definitely be following what happens with 2nd generation Zen CPUs next year though.

Ste said:
And yes, I also have a 1440p 144hz screen which seems to show some CPU a bottleneck.

A good example - you can see drops in Doom on OpenGL and GPU usage never exceeds 70%. If you switch to Vulcan, which makes life easier for older CPUs, I get massive boosts and 100% solid GPU load.

Shame more games don't work like that :)
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Ah that's really interesting, thanks for that. I know Borderlands 2 doesn't use 100% GPU on my system but then no single CPU core gets to 100% either, so it's just a poorly optimised game really. Every other game I've played this year sits at 100% GPU so I'm good for now. :D
 
i am @4.2 5650 with a 780 and thinking about a r5 1600 but it's like 600 quid +
not sure how much performance increase i would get for just gaming
id get much more upgrading the gpu to a 1080 for 450 but i want a new board and cpu this takes ages to boot
 
Hmmm does look like a few of us in the same boat! Deffo get the 1080 you'll get a massive boost. I went from 970 SLI to 1080 and it was great.

I do want a rift... perhaps if that doesn't work well on x58 that'll be the catalyst to upgrade!
 
Bolton7935 said:
i am @4.2 5650 with a 780 and thinking about a r5 1600 but it's like 600 quid +
not sure how much performance increase i would get for just gaming
id get much more upgrading the gpu to a 1080 for 450 but i want a new board and cpu this takes ages to boot
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There'd be other benefits but basically you're increasing performance by maybe 40% (taking into account IPC uplift and lower clocks) for £600. Some would think that's good, others wouldn't. You'd certainly see a bigger difference in games upgrading to a 1080 (Ti) though, especially if you game at above 1080p.
 
IMO wait for x299 to launch then decide what you want. Even if your not going x299 there will be more x99 and ryzen rigs floating about 2nd hand as people upgrade/sidegrade imo.
Plus intel might just surprise us price wise which will flow onto 2nd hand prices.
 
Upgrade and sell your x58 kit while its still worth something. Thats what Im in the process of doing. I went for a 7700k mitx build. Reason for 7700k was because a friend got it for me half price but I doubt very much I will get 8 years from this new build.looking forward to m2 ssds though.
 
triss said:
IMO wait for x299 to launch then decide what you want. Even if your not going x299 there will be more x99 and ryzen rigs floating about 2nd hand as people upgrade/sidegrade imo.
Plus intel might just surprise us price wise which will flow onto 2nd hand prices.
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Good advice, another month or so.
 
weldon855 said:
Upgrade and sell your x58 kit while its still worth something. Thats what Im in the process of doing. I went for a 7700k mitx build. Reason for 7700k was because a friend got it for me half price but I doubt very much I will get 8 years from this new build.looking forward to m2 ssds though.
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The declining worth of X58 is a good point, I just always wonder whether it's worth more to me as a backup rig or secondary machine than the few hundred quid would be. For example, if I did upgrade, this rig could replace my gf's i5-2500K rig (with non-overclockable mobo) and I could steal her i5-2500K for my HTPC (currently running a Celeron G530) which might help extend its life (e.g. for 10b HEVC decoding).

Hell, if I was allowed I'd take it to work as a dev machine instead of the piece of crap I currently have.
 
I went from 4ghz x5650 to Ryzen 1600 which I've only managed 3.85Ghz on same D14 Noctua cooler. Cost me a huge amount of £££s and honestly I feel it hasn't been an upgrade for what I use it for (90% Oculus Rift gaming now). Like others it was an upgrade itch that had to be scratched. I'm not at all disappointed in the performance but I should have dropped the money on a 1080ti instead
 
Very helpful Andy, thanks. I'm primarily playing high(ish) res games and do want to get into the Rift so that I can get back into iRacing. Did your rift run okay with the limited USB3 implementation on x58?

I have a Gigabyte UD3R (the cheap one) and it only has two ports - though they do seem to work at USB3 speed. Guess I could get a powered hub?

Not particularly worried about x58 resale value. I have had this board since 2009 and the chip only cost me £70 (and I sold my 920 for £30!) I've lost more on my 1080 in 9 months than I've lost on x58 in 8 years :)
 
I bought 2 Inatek USB3 PCIe cards and had 3 sensors plus the HMD running perfectly, 360 tracking was good. The 3rd sensor was plugged into a USB2 port as recommended by Oculus. This was all on a Gigabyte EX-58 UD5.
 
Ste said:
Very helpful Andy, thanks. I'm primarily playing high(ish) res games and do want to get into the Rift so that I can get back into iRacing. Did your rift run okay with the limited USB3 implementation on x58?

I have a Gigabyte UD3R (the cheap one) and it only has two ports - though they do seem to work at USB3 speed. Guess I could get a powered hub?

Not particularly worried about x58 resale value. I have had this board since 2009 and the chip only cost me £70 (and I sold my 920 for £30!) I've lost more on my 1080 in 9 months than I've lost on x58 in 8 years :)
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No need to get a powered hub. Just get a USB 3 pcie card with four ports, for a few quid. That's what I have and it works perfectly.
 
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