Upgrade question (MB and CPU)

nick_the_ninja · 16 Jun 2023 at 12:22

Hi,
I'm looking to upgrade my gaming PC, which I bought from you and built in 2016.
(I also upgraded my graphics card a couple of years ago and bought a second SSD).
Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Here's what I currently have:

Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E250B/EU)
Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - OEM
Corsair Builder Series CX 750W V2 '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020015-UK)
Asus Z170 Pro Gaming Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard
Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMD16GX4M2B3200C
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler
LG WH14NS40 Blu-ray Writer Optical Drive 14X BDR
Aerocool Vs-92 Black Edition Midi-Tower - Black
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Super Ventus XS OC 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

I want to upgrade my motherboard and CPU.
I have my eye on this:

Asus ROG Strix B760-G Gaming WIFI D4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 Micro-ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail

I play VR games with an Oculus Rift-S.
Would there be any issues building a PC with this MB and CPU and my other existing components?

I figure DDR4 RAM is fine. I may upgrade my 16GB to 32GB. Could you also suggest a suitable 16GB RAM upgrade please?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the different makes and types!
I'd be very grateful for any advice you have.

Thank you,
Nick

mickyflinn · 16 Jun 2023 at 12:34

No issues apart from needing a new CPU cooler take a look at the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120se.

If your not overclocking you could drop the CPU to a 13700/13700f

As for memory I would buy 2x16gb 3600mhz and sell your existing rather adding different memory

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Tetras · 16 Jun 2023 at 15:03

nick_the_ninja said:
I want to upgrade my motherboard and CPU.
I have my eye on this:

Asus ROG Strix B760-G Gaming WIFI D4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 Micro-ATX Motherboard

Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail

I play VR games with an Oculus Rift-S.
Would there be any issues building a PC with this MB and CPU and my other existing components?

I figure DDR4 RAM is fine. I may upgrade my 16GB to 32GB. Could you also suggest a suitable 16GB RAM upgrade please?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the different makes and types!
I'd be very grateful for any advice you have.

The board is compatible with the CPU (except you can't overclock a K-CPU in a B board), but it's rather expensive, you can buy a DDR5 board for that price (e.g. Gigabyte B760 Gaming X DDR5).

I'd consider something like the B760 DS3H instead, if I planned to stay with DDR4. What features do you need the board to have?

The upgrade to 32GB: the safest option is what mickyflinn suggested, but in theory you could either: buy another 16GB kit, or buy a 16GB stick (and move both 8GB sticks to a single channel). I've done all three and they all worked fine, but that's no guarantee.

PSU: a lot of boards have twin 8 pin EPS, or an 8 pin EPS and a 4 pin +12v. You don't necessarily need both, since most boards will boot with only one, but it is something to be aware of, since I don't think your PSU has enough connectors?

nick_the_ninja · 16 Jun 2023 at 22:30

Thank you both for your formative replies - exactly what I need to know

nick_the_ninja · 17 Jun 2023 at 12:30

Other than general use, I use an Oculus Rift-S for VR gaming so would need Display Port + USB 3 for that. Also 3x USB 2 for keyboard, mouse and joystick.
Ethernet port also required for wired connection.
I'll buy another SSD for the OS (probably a card one) and will also connect my 2 existing SSDs (standard SATA connections).

I'm considering going for a DDR5 motherboard.
I've found these:

Asus ROG Strix B760-F Gaming WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard

Order Asus ROG Strix B760-F Gaming WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

Asrock Z790M-ITX WiFi (LGA 1700) DDR5 ITX Motherboard

Order Asrock Z790M-ITX WiFi (LGA 1700) DDR5 ITX Motherboard now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...-lga-1700-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-5bs-gi.html [no ethernet port]
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ntel-z690-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-5a4-gi.html [no ethernet port]
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...-lga-1700-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-37b-ms.html [no ethernet port]

Asus ROG Strix Z790-H Gaming WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard

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www.overclockers.co.uk

3 of them don't have an ethernet port, which leaves 3.
Would you suggest any in particular?

I won't be overclocking, so I'll drop from the K to the KF:

Intel Core i7-13700KF (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail

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www.overclockers.co.uk

(The F isn't in stock).

Thanks for your help

I'll have a look for memory and cooler now.

This runs at 6000MHz:

Corsair Vengeance EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX5M2D6000Z36)

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(perhaps a bit of overkill)

I've not been able to find Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120se on overclockers.
Are there any here that would do the job perfectly? Thanks.

nick_the_ninja · 17 Jun 2023 at 13:28

How does this look?

Asus ROG Strix B760-F Gaming WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard

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Intel Core i7-13700KF (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail

Order Intel Core i7-13700KF (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

Corsair Vengeance EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX5M2D6000Z36)

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MSI MPG A850GF UK PSU 850W, 80 Plus Gold certified, Fully Modular

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WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T2X0E)

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Which just leaves the cooler. I'd be grateful for any suggestion.
Would "Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120se" be perfectly sufficient for the above?

Thanks,
Nick

Tetras · 17 Jun 2023 at 14:01

nick_the_ninja said:
Other than general use, I use an Oculus Rift-S for VR gaming so would need Display Port + USB 3 for that. Also 3x USB 2 for keyboard, mouse and joystick.
Ethernet port also required for wired connection.
I'll buy another SSD for the OS (probably a card one) and will also connect my 2 existing SSDs (standard SATA connections).

So you need:
1. USB 3 port (Type C or Type A?) and 3 USB 2 compatible ports?
2. LAN.
3. 1 M.2.
4. 2 SATA ports.

Pretty much any board has those features, even H610.

nick_the_ninja said:
3 of them don't have an ethernet port, which leaves 3.

They do. All 3 have an ethernet port.

nick_the_ninja said:
I won't be overclocking, so I'll drop from the K to the KF:

(The F isn't in stock).

The KF still allows overclocking (with a Z690/Z790 board), the F only relates to the IGP (or the lack of it). I would prefer the non-F, but I don't think OCUK sell it yet.

nick_the_ninja said:
Would "Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120se" be perfectly sufficient for the above?

Yes. In the review on THG I think they tested with a 12900K.

nick_the_ninja said:
How does this look?

The board is really expensive and the price seems hard to justify, given the features.

Is the RAM on the board's QVL? It appears to be AMD Expo/Ryzen tuned, according to the description?

If it was me, I'd swap the PSU for MSI's ATX 3.0 model: A850G, but your graphics card doesn't need a 12/16 pin.

Suggested changes:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99
1 x Gigabyte B760 GAMING X AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BU-GI) = £199.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36) (SKU: MY-4D7-CS) = £109.99
1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £104.99
1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14R-BQ) = £124.99

Total: £907.94 (includes delivery: £7.99)

In-stock @ OCUK only:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700KF (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6B7-IN) = £379.99
1 x Asus ROG Strix B660-A Gaming WIFI D4 - Intel B660 DDR4 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6HR-AS) = £159.95
1 x Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (SKU: MY-018-LE) = £79.99
1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £104.99
1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14R-BQ) = £124.99

Total: £857.90 (includes delivery: £7.99)

mickyflinn · 17 Jun 2023 at 14:34

£10 cheaper DDR5 memory if you go that option.

TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01)

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nick_the_ninja · 17 Jun 2023 at 14:42

A tough one - DDR5 - to be or not to be!

Can you suggest an in-stock combination for DDR5 please? (with memory that's on QVL list for MB - just looked that up - very important!)

Thanks guys - I really appreciate the help!

Tetras · 17 Jun 2023 at 14:51

nick_the_ninja said:
Can you suggest an in-stock combination for DDR5 please? (with memory that's on QVL list for MB - just looked that up - very important!)

I deliberately didn't suggest one, because paying over £200 for a B board makes me barf.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Kingston FURY Beast 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MY-29H-KS) = £109.99
1 x Gigabyte B760 AORUS ELITE AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BS-GI) = £229.99

Total: £347.98 (includes delivery: £8.00)

nick_the_ninja · 17 Jun 2023 at 17:37

Done!
I really appreciate the help you guys have given me

Here's what I've gone for:

(Plus the cooler you recommended).

Christmas is coming early!
My old PC hasn't done badly - I've had it since 2016.

Thanks again,
Nick