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mysticsniper

mysticsniper

mysticsniper

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Its been a while since my last CPU/Mobo/mem upgrade.

Been thinking about replacing my Intel 4790k CPU with this bundle.

I am a gamer first, I browse and some adobe and office work.

Team Group 8Pack Edition 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black/
Corsair Hydro Series H100i Platinum RGB Performance Liquid Cooler - 240mm (CW-9060039-WW)
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Eight Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ULTRA (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset ATX Motherboard
Samsung 500GB 860 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive

How much difference is there between the 3600X and the 3700X, worth the extra £100? Same with the mobo, is the Ultra worth getting over the Pro?

Cheers
 
@orbitalwalsh will be able to help with the motherboard differences.

Current benchmarks show very little difference in gaming performance between the 2 chips so really it's down to you and what you use your computer for other than gaming. Speccing a 3700X for 'future-proofing' is a bad idea in my opinion as when games are routinely using 8 cores well, there'll be a new generation of tech to take advantage. Buy what works well now in m opinion and spend the savings on things that will make a difference - GPU and monitor upgrades spring to mind.

Actually, I don't see a GPU mentioned? Are you sure you going to get a tangible and worthwhile improvement over your (hopefully overclocked) 4790K?
 
ExRayTed said:
@orbitalwalsh will be able to help with the motherboard differences.

Current benchmarks show very little difference in gaming performance between the 2 chips so really it's down to you and what you use your computer for other than gaming. Speccing a 3700X for 'future-proofing' is a bad idea in my opinion as when games are routinely using 8 cores well, there'll be a new generation of tech to take advantage. Buy what works well now in m opinion and spend the savings on things that will make a difference - GPU and monitor upgrades spring to mind.

Actually, I don't see a GPU mentioned? Are you sure you going to get a tangible and worthwhile improvement over your (hopefully overclocked) 4790K?
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Thanks for taking the time to reply, and the additional info.

I am currentrly using a 2080RTX GPU, I have a Dell AW3418DW monitor which should keep me going for a while.

While I'm looking to spend a bit less on a new computer, but also see a performace boost from my 4790. AMD over Intel the way forward at the moment?
 
@mysticsniper

Ultra and Pro / Pro Wifi ATX are pretty much the same board- PCB/VRM wise . Main difference is the VRM cooling with the Ultra having the better setup . you can get Pro wifi ATX version for £240 hunting around, cheaper then Non Wifi version !

if your going for 3200hz ram and overclocking. Save cash with Crucial Sport LT - @tamzzy runs these on ITX X570 Aorus and believe hit 3600hz with 2x16gb sticks. 16gb verison is £75 odd!

if your coming from i7 4***k then 3700x- wouldnt touch core ryzen, not really worth it for little extra gains in games that use more then 4 cores like BFV- see the benefit more with 3700x
 
mysticsniper said:
Thanks for taking the time to reply, and the additional info.

I am currentrly using a 2080RTX GPU, I have a Dell AW3418DW monitor which should keep me going for a while.

While I'm looking to spend a bit less on a new computer, but also see a performace boost from my 4790. AMD over Intel the way forward at the moment?
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pushing for max min frames then Intel 9700k- but at your 1440p ultra wide. AMD closes the gap!!! barely much diff

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £592.43 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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vs

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £719.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)


^^ wouldnt bu at those prices but can get AMD down to £650 odd

£350 for 9700k tray/OEM​
 
mysticsniper said:
How much difference is there between the 3600X and the 3700X, worth the extra £100? Same with the mobo, is the Ultra worth getting over the Pro?
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That £100 more in 3700X is certainly lot more useful than £100 more in more expensive mobo.
Any properly done X570 board has good enough VRM for coming 16 core 3950X.
Including cheapest of Asus, Prime X570-P and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite.
(after some scam level VRMs in their B450/X470 AM4 boards)

Again 6 core/12 thread CPU starts very likely becoming handicap after year when next-gen console multiplatter games start coming.
Next-gen consoles will come basically with underclocked 3700X likely giving 7 cores/14 threads just for the use of games.
(there might be some further tweaks over Zen2 if they don't use standard chiplets shared with Ryzen CPUs)
So more demanding games of the future will have increase in amount of cores/threads they want.

As for current games here's one test with 3900X and various amount of active cores:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVjdhXAdKE0
Though depending on how those cores have been disabled there are differences to real models:
Six core model can be emulated by disabling one chiplet, but 3900X can't emulate 8 core fully with only 6 enabled cores per chiplet.


Samsung 860 Evo is grossly overpriced for SATA SSD.
There are half TB NVMe drives for less!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...d-state-drive-cssd-f480gbmp510-hd-064-cs.html
Crucial MX500 is more what half TB SATA SSD should cost:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...ata-pcie-m.2-solid-state-drive-hd-06e-cr.html
Though there are now Kingston A2000 NVMe drives in same price level per GB as Crucial MX500.



And if you want actual performance in waterpipe coolers you need to really big.
High end heatpipe coolers routinely beat those 240mm rad waterpipe coolers in continuous cooling per noise.
Waterpipes in place of heatpipes just don't make heat magically disappear and it still needs to be dissipated into air.
And those usual slim rads just don't have that much of surface area.

£43 Scythe Mugen 5 more than matches Corsair H100i in cooling per noise:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8857/corsair-h100i-pro-rgb-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
According to Tom's Hardware H100i Platinum is actually worser performance more bling bling version of H100i Pro...
And only thing which can fail in in heatpipe coolers is cheap and easy to replace fan, whose failure doesn't destroy all cooling power, unlike most wear mechanisms of waterpipe coolers.
Even RGB version has very reasonable price extra unlike in most RGB stuff costing £50:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?sSearch=Mugen+5
Saving could be used for say 1TB level SSD.
 
I was going to wait for the 3950x, but it looks like I'll have more chance of winning the lottery, then getting my hands on one of those :(

I have this in my basket at the moment, I will use the other parts from my curret setup

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,224.45 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Thoughts?
 
mysticsniper said:
I was going to wait for the 3950x, but it looks like I'll have more chance of winning the lottery, then getting my hands on one of those :(

I have this in my basket at the moment, I will use the other parts from my curret setup

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,224.45 (includes shipping: £10.50)
​

Thoughts?
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POWER! seems Aorus AIO visuals have been getting praise . 280 should be able to handle the 12 core ryzen just fine along with VRM on the ultra . if you dont need wifi then can set down to Pro and save a little cash

saving more cash but using ryzen ram calculator to push 3600hz overclock

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...gb-kit-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-udimm-my-20b-cr.html

shame OCUK running Ultra a bit steep in pricing
 
mysticsniper said:
Just looking at the RAM and 32GB looks like a Sweet spot for Ryzen, so which is better 2x16 or 4x8

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £358.67 (includes shipping: £8.70)
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2 sticks- less stress on IMC . Ryzen has improved and Aorus tests harder with 4 sticks then 2, but 2 sticks !

also £60 cheaper
 
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