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tonymax99

tonymax99

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HI, upgrading my old i7_3280, was looking at either i7 13700K or i9 13900K, what is a good motherboard to go with these, ATX size, wanting 64GB DDR5 as I do a lot of music creation and graphics 2d and some 3d animation..
If I go for one of these processors, would it be worthwhile installing my old GTX 660Ti as I know they have onboard graphics. or get the KF version instead.. How good is the onboard graphics in these?
is there a big difference between 5600MHz and DDR 6000MHZ memory?
Also have a Corsair 750HW PSU, about 10yrs old, would a new PSU be advisable?

Sorry for all the Q's but PC upgrades and components have come a long way since i last looked and I want a future proof machine for a while.
Any other info or recommendations would be appreciated.
budget about £1-1.5K
Thank you
Tony
 
tonymax99 said:
If I go for one of these processors, would it be worthwhile installing my old GTX 660Ti as I know they have onboard graphics. or get the KF version instead.. How good is the onboard graphics in these?
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It depends on your workload, as many apps make heavy use of the GPU nowadays. If that's the case for you, then you might be better off re-orienting your budget and buying e.g. a 13600K or 13700 non-K with a 3060 12GB. If you'd like us to help out with that, then name the apps you use.

The IGP, again it depends on the workload, it can handle the viewports in most 2D/3D/video editing apps, but you're very unlikely to be satisfied gaming on it (unless you like 720p/1080p low settings). There are some scenarios where QuickSync is a big benefit. Have a watch of this for more thoughts.

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is there a big difference between 5600MHz and DDR 6000MHZ memory?
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For creators? Very rarely. For gamers? Sometimes, but mostly at low resolution/settings with high-end GPUs. It's not just about the speed though, but the timings.
 
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thanks Tetras, music wise im using mainly Cubase/Nuendo. Graphics wise Modo, Lightwave (yup im oldschool) 2d stuff Painter, Clip Studio, photoshop. with pinnacle studio for video and vegas Edit.
would you mind explaining timings on memory, thought clock speed was most important so need to look into that.
Music Is my main need, I game on my laptop at the moment when in the mood... ;-)
forgot to say I usually run dual monitors with this also hopefully up to 4K soon. that video was useful also, thanks for that.
 
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throwing this out, thinking a good value for money build. if anything could be done better please let me know.. greatly appreciate any help and insight you could offer. thanks
motherboards for me seem to be an area where there is most confusion for me..

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13900f (no overclocking/integrated gpu) has 8 p cores + 16 e cores (32 threads) - vs the 13700(k/f) which has 8p+8e (24 threads)
there is the i9 13900 with the integrated gpu, but it is not stocked at ocuk (available elsewhere and also cheaper!) - personally this would be the one i would go for
better aio cooler - out of stock at ocuk but available at other etailers
better power supply with newest ATX v3/PCIE 5 spec
cheaper!

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MSI MPG A1000G PCIE5 UK PSU 1000W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
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CP-6BE-IN
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forgot to say I usually run dual monitors with this also hopefully up to 4K soon.
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If you're not gaming you can get decent 60 Hz IPS 4k monitors for under £200; I have a Lenovo L28U-35 as a secondary monitor and it will double as a basic gaming monitor as it has Freesync (not that I use it as such).
 
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AMD spec
7950x has 16 cores (they're all "performance" in intel terms) with 32 threads

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Thanks Tamzy, good spec, didnt really think of AMD, intel fan, and most specs are intel related to a lot of the software i use (i think)..
will look into this. isnt there a 3d version coming soon?
the i9 13900K I did look at but wondered about about extra cost vs performance.

thanks again everyone
 
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isnt there a 3d version coming soon?
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the x3d have bigger cache sizes, which are more important for gaming (not sure if workstation-type workloads benefit though)
obvs more expensive so for the same price, the 7950x probably more worth it for productivity over the 7900x3d

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the i9 13900K I did look at but wondered about about extra cost vs performance.
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just get the 13900 non-k
(see the other build i specced above the amd one)
you lose the overclocking, but i'm sure with work use, you would rather have something that "just works" rather than peeing around with overclocking and potential instability
 
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any decent alternative to the artic cooler? they seem to be out of stock everywhere ive checked so far..
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ooof ouch, wow!
oos over all uk etailers...that's crazy

most of the other aio coolers are made by asetek and just rebranded...so just get something sensible and you should be grand

personal opinion: unless i needed the computer asap i would wait for the arctic aio to come back into stock
 
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thanks Tetras, music wise im using mainly Cubase/Nuendo. Graphics wise Modo, Lightwave (yup im oldschool) 2d stuff Painter, Clip Studio, photoshop. with pinnacle studio for video and vegas Edit.
would you mind explaining timings on memory, thought clock speed was most important so need to look into that.
Music Is my main need, I game on my laptop at the moment when in the mood... ;-)
forgot to say I usually run dual monitors with this also hopefully up to 4K soon. that video was useful also, thanks for that.
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Modo: It sounds like you can use V-Ray (CUDA, nvidia-based) or something called "ProRender" (for AMD). It seems you can use CPU rendering, GPU rendering, or a combination of both. I tried to find out which is faster, or preferable, but I could not, though render farms I could find for Modo were CPU-based.
Lightwave: appears to be only CPU-based, though there's recent talk of something called "Octane Render".
Substance painter: GPU-oriented.
Clip Studio: CPU-oriented.
Photoshop: my understanding is that it depends on the task, since not everything is GPU-accelerated.
Pinnacle Studio: this appears to support either CUDA (nvidia) or QuickSync (Intel IGP) and it depends what you're doing (see "hardware acceleration" here).
Vegas Edit: this depends on version, but it's the same as Pinaccle for encoding and decoding (QuickSync or NVENC/NVDEC) and it supports OpenCL for AMD cards. The support seems to depend on exactly what you're doing, since I think only H264 & H265 are supported for GPU-acceleration?
Cubase/Nuendo: GPU is only used for the UI.

Based on reading all that, I'd definitely buy an Intel CPU with an IGP rather than a -F or -KF (for QuickSync). The graphics card, hmm, I'd say that it's only likely to matter for Modo and Photoshop, but I'm really not sure where Modo is at with GPU-rendering. If you use it a lot, then I think it is worth investigating further than I have, since my impression is that it is the most demanding and time-consuming app in your list.

Memory frequency/timings, have a watch:

www.youtube.com

Intel 13th gen Core Series RAM/Memory Tuning & Scaling, i5-13600K, i7-13700K & i9-13900K

Hetzner: http://hetzner.com/hub/ex-lineActually Hardcore Overclocking: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ@ActuallyHardcoreOverclockingS...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
 
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I’d look at something like this as will offer bonkers processing performance for a reasonable price.

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throwing this one out asI cant get the artic cooler anywhere (unless you know where ;-))

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would like to get the cost a little lower, maybe the i713700K

AMd alternatives welcome. did i read somewhere that intel wont be supporting the L1700 socket with their next gen onwards. will I be left with some thing i cant update later on if needed.
ps. I do this for a hobby so not so restricted and can play a bit with the OC etc..

thanks again
regards

Tony
 
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CP-6AZ-IN
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£480 (incl. VAT)
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MSI Pro Z790-A WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
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£240 (incl. VAT)
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tonymax99 said:
AMD alternatives welcome. did i read somewhere that intel wont be supporting the L1700 socket with their next gen onwards. will I be left with some thing i cant update later on if needed.
ps. I do this for a hobby so not so restricted and can play a bit with the OC etc..
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Yes, there's supposed to be a minor refresh of raptor lake, but no new CPUs after that.

You have 2 PSUs in your build.

I would get the SN770 or SN850X instead of the P3 Plus, they have much higher endurance (P3 Plus is 440 TBW for 2TB capacity, SN770 & SN850X are 1200 TBW) and are TLC-based.
 
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