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Upgrading from 3570k

green01

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Hello everyone!

I've been out of the hardware scene pretty much since I last upgraded my pc (about 5 years ago), so I have no idea what's good for what at the moment.

My current setup is running an i5 3570k overclocked to 4.5ghz. I recently purchased a Gtx 1070 second hand to start playing 1440p. The rig is used solely for entertainment/gaming. What's the best cpu setup to accompany this these days? Looking at around £250 budget for the cpu itself.

Cheers
 
The only thing you need to consider is that if you upgrade your CPU to a newer socket you'll need to change MOBO & RAM... So it becomes a tad more expensive...

Is there any reason you need to upgrade or is it just for the components age?
 
Hi. I reckon you should opt for a 3770k if you are ok with overclocking and want to save some money or the 8600k which has 6 cores and trades blows with the 8700k.

The 8600k is around that price but ram prices might be high.

My brother saw a decent increase in some games going from his ivy i5 to i7 especially in online gaming.
 
Thanks guys. Fully aware that I'll need a new mobo and ram as well, that budget is just for the processor. I'm fairly competent with building a pc, there just seems to be that many new iterations I have no idea what's good for what. Eg. The 3570k was an obvious bang for buck choice 5 years ago. Is there an equivalent today?

Mainly upgrading to try and get more performance - or are the latest processors not actually that much of a leap forward from the 3570?
 
green01 said:
Mainly upgrading to try and get more performance - or are the latest processors not actually that much of a leap forward from the 3570?
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I game at 1440p on a 3570K and honestly I haven't seen a reason to upgrade considering the resolution. I'm banking on a GPU upgrade making way more difference at this resolution than a CPU change as the CPU isn't a bottleneck unless you're looking at very high frame rates (1080p seem to be a different kettle of fish).
 
green01 said:
Thanks guys. Fully aware that I'll need a new mobo and ram as well, that budget is just for the processor. I'm fairly competent with building a pc, there just seems to be that many new iterations I have no idea what's good for what. Eg. The 3570k was an obvious bang for buck choice 5 years ago. Is there an equivalent today?

Mainly upgrading to try and get more performance - or are the latest processors not actually that much of a leap forward from the 3570?
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From one 4 core i5 to another it was approx 10% improvement per iteration. Coffee Lake is now 6 core and is roughly performing the same as previous 4 core i7s so you are getting a nice upgrade over the old i5s. A new i7 is obviously then a nice upgrade over an old i7 too.

You also have AMD Ryzen which is now a very competitive part and for the price it offers fantastic bang for the buck as well as being a much better alternative to Intel for gaming than previous FX chips.

It's a good time in the processor market with AMD providing great competition and Intel upping their core counts. At every price point you can find a compelling choice and will have a very capable part.
 
I just replaced my 3570k with a Ryzen 1600 @ 3.9ghz due to a dead motherboard and I can't honestly notice much real world gaming difference, maybe a smidge more stability on framerates. Benchmarks are slightly improved but I think had I not had to I would have waited. Maybe the earlier advice of a i7 3770k to tide you over.
 
Minibiker said:
The only thing you need to consider is that if you upgrade your CPU to a newer socket you'll need to change MOBO & RAM... So it becomes a tad more expensive...

Is there any reason you need to upgrade or is it just for the components age?
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I think by "tad more expensive" you mean "double the price".
 
All these ppl saying I upgraded to Ryzen ect, nice upgrade yeah, but your paying a lot for the upgrade. So if you think of it like that, its not a nice upgrade at all, its a expensive one.

Thats the reason that I upgraded my 2500k to a 2600k, because the performance boost from a new cpu, mem and board wasn't enough to pay stupid money for. The 2500k to 2600k cost me £50
 
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green01 said:
Hello everyone!

I've been out of the hardware scene pretty much since I last upgraded my pc (about 5 years ago), so I have no idea what's good for what at the moment.

My current setup is running an i5 3570k overclocked to 4.5ghz. I recently purchased a Gtx 1070 second hand to start playing 1440p. The rig is used solely for entertainment/gaming. What's the best cpu setup to accompany this these days? Looking at around £250 budget for the cpu itself.

Cheers
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I went from a 3570k @ 4.3Ghz to a Ryzen 1600x @ 3.9Ghz, and in most things it was a side grade, definitely not worth the money, so don't go for that combo if you want to see massive uplifts.

What Hz is your monitor? - I ask because if its a 144/165Hz you'll more likely be GPU limited before CPU in most games, although a few such as 64 player Battlefield 1 would benefit from more CPU cores/HT.

The suggestions for a 3770k if you can get one for a good price might be worth it for the best bang for buck.

Other than that, for £250 your looking at an 8600k which will give you a few 100Mhz and 2 extra cores for games like BF1. The only problem is DDR4 ram is extortionate money at the moment, so the total upgrade cost for 2 extra cores will be £550ish
 
Just upgraded from [email protected] to a 8400 and it's a massive upgrade.

3570k was massive bottleneck in modern games like gta battlefield starwars etc, it just couldn't handle modern games at all with a gtx 1080.

8400 is running the 1080 perfectly.

It's a great cpu for £170. Mine came to £400 for 16gb ram/board/cpu

here is some benchmarks
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-coffee-lake-core-i5-8400-cpu,review-34073-5.html

http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-i5-8400-review-the-best-new-gaming-cpu-in-years/
 
There'll likely be some who shoot me down, but this is my own experience duplicated across both mine and the wife's matched machines. I am sure others will have experiences different to ours.

We originally upgraded from 4790K @4.5Ghz to Ryzen 1700X's that would just about do 3.7Ghz if our B-die memory was limited to 2666-2933. Anything beyond that required insane voltage. Performance in genuine multitasking was excellent but gaming performance was a sidegrade at absolute best with higher averages in the odd CPU limited game but generally lower averages - and more importantly minimums - across the board. We both also suffered multiple stability issues and niggles with black screens and odd crashes on every BIOS we tried even at stock. To be honest I think it was our choice of boards (B350-F STRIX) that was poor and responsible for most of the issues however, we wanted a silver bullet and decided not to plough further money into the platform.

Sold up and replaced with 8700K's on Z370-A Prime which with a small 4.7GHz overclock matches the 1700x for multithreaded performance whilst leaving it in the dust in anything that uses 6 or less cores. It's also been rock solid and can properly utilise the same 8Pack memory kits at XMP speeds with half the latency. This is a genuine upgrade in every way from the 4790K, although whether it's worth the outlay is definitely down to the individual.

The Mrs and I both game, use VMs and create content. The Ryzen was very good at the latter two but fell shorter in gaming than I'd expected, even given the reviews. I'm not knocking Ryzen at all it just wasn't worth the money in my case, I do believe a better board would have solved most problems and I'm sure the next generation will improve things again.

TL;DR Is it worth the upgrade? That really depends on your individual needs and how you determine value. As for Ryzen vs Coffee Lake, the former is great value for most tasks with the Intel giving the best performance overall and certainly in games plus the most seamless experience, but with a cost penalty. In the OP's case I'd be looking at 3770K or 8400/8600.
 
Also worth looking at the locked 8700 as it's around the same price as the 8600k but would work out cheaper as it doesn't require decent cooling or motherboard.

The locked i7 8700 has fairly high 4.6 single core boost and 12 threads and would be more than enough power for any graphics card any game.
 
I've recently gone from 3570k @ 4.4 to Ryzen 1600 @ 3.9. It's OK but not exactly an earth-shattering upgrade considering it replaced a five year old system (double the length of time I would normally wait between upgrades). The real kicker is the RAM cost, I got a reasonable deal on mobo and cpu (£238.96 including 3 free recent games and free wifi adapter) but the 'savings' compared to a few months ago are offset but having to fork out on DDR4 which cost almost as much as the CPU.
 
For 1440p the GPU is always the limiting factor, even on a 1080 ti.

No need for a CPU upgrade unless you are getting poor 0.1% lows/stutters in multiplayer games like battlefield.

Selling the 1070 and put the £250+ towards a 1080 ti would net you better fps if you have a 144hz monitor ? a 1070 is adequate for 60hz.
 
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