UPS - just wanting some info

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Read about power conditioners and UPS improving stability, and the wiring in my flat is anything but up to scratch - flicking light switches can be heard on speakers, etc.

So, while I have some power conditioners coming today, I was wondering if it wouldn't be more prudent getting a UPS for my PC -the bloody thing is now worth the sum of £3000 with everything I have put in it.

But what size UPS do I get? I am not worried about something that would last ages after a power cut - couple of minutes to shut pc down would suffice. I am more concerned with voltage regulation, line conditioning type functionality, etc.

But I am unsure of the relationship of wattage of PSU and wattage of PS/Power supply.

So, if I have a 875W PSU, running some fairly power hungry hardware, would I need a PSU that could deliver more than the power supply + roughly 20% (due to efficiency not being 100%)?

Or could I use a UPS that is rated 500W, and all that will happen is I will get less time out of it?
 
Landed up getting:
CyberPower Intelligent 1500VA LCD PFC Series UPS - for my main PC
CyberPower BRICs Series 650VA LCD UPS for Microserver + router
CyberPower Value 600VA Line Interactive UPS for other halfs PC

The Intelligent 1500VA is pricey, but for £3000 worth oc PC, it's probably a wise investment...
 
I have the belkin 1200va(670watt) with AVR ups, and it keeps everything going in sig for about 20mins.

The best thing about a ups though,, if the mains power gets to high or low, battery mode will kick in until power has returned to safe levels. So when you lights flicker or dim,, the ups will instantly go to battery mode until power return to normal levels.. I think the delay time is something like 2-4ms before the ups reacts to power change or power loss.

Im still quite wary of leaving it all plugged in during thunder storms though, as Ive had a pc that was taken out in a storm, but it wasn't protected at all. But since having the ups after about 4 yrs now, it has never once failed to kick in during a power loss, and Im sure it will cope fine during a storm, its just trusting it.
 
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Ah yeah just to let you know, there are 2 types of ups you can get,, there's the ones like mine where the battery only kicks in when a power change is detected, so you have a sight delay. Or there are the UPS that continuously run in battery mode so no delay when it detects a power change, as your equipment never uses the mains supply, but apparently they use more power and more expensive.
 
Yeah, the expensive one I got does everything I could ask bar double conversion something or other.

The cheap one is just a power brick that only kicks in when power change detected, and the other is a line interactive, which I believe runs continuously on battery mode?

First day have ever read up on UPS's, so don't know much about em, except that the CyberPower Intelligent 1500VA LCD PFC Series UPS, like I say, does almost everything I could possibly want. At over £200 it was already way more than I was planning to spend, but what the hell... my PC is probably worth it.
 
Actually, theres quite a few types of UPS

The Standby UPS

The Standby UPS is the most common type used for Personal Computers. Switches to the battery / inverter as the backup source should the primary source fail. When that happens, the transfer switch must operate to switch the load over to the battery / inverter backup power The inverter only starts when the power fails, hence the name "Standby." High efficiency, small size, and low cost are the main benefits of this design. With proper filter and surge circuitry, these systems can also provide adequate noise filtration and surge suppression.

The Line Interactive UPS

The Line Interactive UPS, is the most common design used for small business, Web,and departmental servers. In this design, the battery-to-AC power converter (inverter) is always connected to the output of the UPS. Operating the inverter in reverse during times when the input AC power is normal provides battery charging. When the input power fails, the transfer switch opens and the power flows from the battery to the UPS output. With the inverter always on and connected to the output, this design provides additional filtering and yields reduced switching transients when compared with the Standby UPS topology. In addition, the Line Interactive design usually incorporates a tap-changing transformer. This adds voltage regulation by adjusting transformer taps as the input voltage varies. Voltage regulation is an important
feature when low voltage conditions exist, otherwise the UPS would transfer to battery and then eventually down the load. This more frequent battery usage can cause premature battery failure. However, the inverter can also be designed such that its failure will still permit power flow from the AC input to the output, which eliminates the potential of single point failure and effectively provides for two independent power paths. High efficiency, small size, low cost and high reliability coupled with the ability to correct low or high line voltage conditions make this the dominant type of UPS in the 0.5-5kVA power range.

The Standby-Ferro UPS

The Standby-Ferro UPS was once the dominant form of UPS in the 3-15kVA range. This design depends on a special saturating transformer that has three windings (power connections). The primary power path is from AC input, through a transfer switch, through the transformer, and to the output. In the case of a power failure, the transfer switch is opened, and the inverter picks up the output load. In the Standby-Ferro design, the inverter is in the standby mode, and is energized when the input power fails and the transfer switch is opened. The transformer has a special "Ferro-resonant" capability, which provides limited voltage regulation and output waveform "shaping". The isolation from AC power transients provided Standby-Ferro UPS systems are frequently represented as On-Line units, even though they have a transfer switch, the inverter operates in the standby mode, and they exhibit a transfer characteristic during an AC
power failure.

The Double Conversion On-Line UPS

This is the most common type of UPS above 10kVA. The block diagram of the Double Conversion On-Line UPS, is the same as the Standby, except that the primary power path is the inverter instead of the AC main. In the Double Conversion On-Line design, failure of the input AC does not cause activation of the transfer switch, because the input AC is charging the backup battery source which provides power to the output
inverter. Therefore, during an input AC power failure, on-line operation results in no transfer time. Both the battery charger and the inverter convert the entire load power flow in this design, resulting in reduced efficiency with its associated increased heat generation. This UPS provides nearly ideal electrical output performance. But the constant wear on the power components reduces reliability over other designs and the energy consumed by the electrical power inefficiency is a significant part of the life-cycle cost of the UPS. Also, the input power drawn by the large battery charger is often non-linear and can interfere with building power wiring or cause problems with
standby generators.

The Delta Conversion On-Line UPS

This UPS design, illustrated in Figure 5, is a newer, 10 year old technology introduced to eliminate the drawbacks of the Double Conversion On-Line design and is available in sizes ranging from 5kVA to 1.6MW. Similar to the Double Conversion On-Line design, the Delta Conversion On-Line UPS always has the inverter supplying the load voltage. However, the additional Delta Converter also contributes power to the inverter output. Under conditions of AC failure or disturbances, this design exhibits behavior identical to the Double Conversion On-Line. A simple way to understand the energy efficiency of the delta conversion topology is to consider the energy required to deliver a package from the 4th floor to the 5th floor of a building. Delta Conversion technology saves energy by carrying the package only the difference (delta) between the starting and ending points. The Double Conversion On-Line UPS converts the power to the battery and back again where as the Delta Converter moves components of the power from input to the output.

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My UPS is the "The Line Interactive UPS" http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=153757
 
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You will soon see how dodgy your power supply is,, as when I first got my ups, it would kick in once or twice a week due to over or under power. But now my UPS hardly ever kicks in, as engineers have been doing work on the lines over the years. So now the UPS only really gets a work out if power fails or if I dare to leave it connected during a storm.. But saying that we have had about 2 quite bad storms over the yrs, I haven't been at home to disconnect everything and no damage yet has been done. According to the "line interactive" info, it should be ok during storms, as it says

"Most popular UPS due to high reliability, ideal for rack or distributed servers and/or harsh power environments"
 
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