So basically the they’re backwards people who need a brutal dictator argument again...
US kills Iran's General Soleimani
- Thread starter Malevolence
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So basically the they’re backwards people who need a brutal dictator argument again...
Soldato
Seems like Trump dosnt just have Iran to worry about right now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50997769
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50997769
He didn’t before either, not sure what relevance that has to the thread... terrorist’s in East Africa? No ****
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran
So we (the Brits) we're forcing regime change in 1940, for the Iranian crime of remaining neutral in WW2. We replaced a modernising, peaceful leader with a puppet who was believed to be favourable to British interests. We sent German families living in Iran to Russian concentration camps; no doubt sending many to their deaths.
Prior to that we were taking Iranian oil and giving them only 10% of the profits (like how we screwed India and others).
We gave Iranian territory to Russia and we caused food shortages throughout the country, wrecking their economy in the process. Because they were neutral.
We've been ******* over countries in the ME and the East since forever.
Who knows how these places could have ended up if we weren't so keen on "liberating" them from any ruler not immediately bending over when we commanded it.
We're absolutely not the good guys. That's the only sane conclusion.
So we (the Brits) we're forcing regime change in 1940, for the Iranian crime of remaining neutral in WW2. We replaced a modernising, peaceful leader with a puppet who was believed to be favourable to British interests. We sent German families living in Iran to Russian concentration camps; no doubt sending many to their deaths.
Prior to that we were taking Iranian oil and giving them only 10% of the profits (like how we screwed India and others).
We gave Iranian territory to Russia and we caused food shortages throughout the country, wrecking their economy in the process. Because they were neutral.
We've been ******* over countries in the ME and the East since forever.
Who knows how these places could have ended up if we weren't so keen on "liberating" them from any ruler not immediately bending over when we commanded it.
We're absolutely not the good guys. That's the only sane conclusion.
Im not sure basing an argument on “hey guys the Brits has colonies and protectorates back in the day” is a particularly strong one.
Yeah we did, doesn’t stop us from being able to make interventions now or oppose oppressive regimes or object to the conduct of certain nations etc...
Yeah we did, doesn’t stop us from being able to make interventions now or oppose oppressive regimes or object to the conduct of certain nations etc...
I have very mixed feelings on this - on the one hand things have been done in the name of the British Empire that would make the Nazis proud on the other hand you see pictures of some parts of the ME under British rule or within the sphere of British influence in the 50s, etc. people had a freedom and quality of life they absolutely haven't had before or since.
Soldato
You'll need to do a bit more reading on that. Iran and Nazi's were tight during WW2.
I'm sure we'll *always* have some "good reason" to go around instigating regime change, causing resentment, screwing over foreign lands far, far away.
We're a right bunch of war-mongers. That's the sad truth.
Soldato
Why are Hong Kong fighting as hard as they are to keep what we installed over there?
Yet they gave thousands of Jews Iranian citizenship and smuggled them out of Germany.
And supplied the allies with oil "crucial" to the war effort.
You do know what neutral is, don't you.
Also lol at "They were tight, bruv".
Soldato
They literally supplied Germany with money for the war...
Where other countries cut off ties with the Nazi's..
Oh yes, HK. What a fine job we did there.
A city founded on the opium trade. Ie, we flooded China with it and HK got rich as a result.
Are you saying that's a model for how the west should act in foreign lands?
They continued to trade with both the allies and with Germany... because they were neutral.
You're hardly neutral if you take sides are you. How does that work, exactly?
You think the Nazis would have approved that they were smuggling German Jews to the safety of Iran? They very much sound like the good guys in that story.
We then sent thousand to Russia to an unknown fate; possibly to their deaths.
Caporegime
Um...until the British moved in they were Nazi Germany's top trading partner.
Soldato
Why are you going back to the opium wars though? Talk about HK in its current form. What has the opium wars got to do with HK protestors fighting to keep the status quo, and hanging British flags in its parliament.
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Soldato
I don't know too much about it actually, i know i've just read that Iran were heavily involved in buying goods from the Nazi's when other countries cut off ties.
If i go have a read now, i'm pretty certain its not like you are making out.
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hmmm
Well yes, there is in several places. It has settled down in the last 20 years though. In part since the USSR collapsed and the proxy wars reduced and moved to the Middle East.
You can't just ignore the reasons behind HK's very existence tho, can you?!
Soldato
You talk as if we were the only people that did sh*tty stuff to other people, the whole world was like that.
Stop going back 200 years, it has no relevance at all, and clearly the current young people of Hong Kong don't consider the opium wars any part of their history, because it isn't what they experienced. So why are you talking about it, if they don't even consider it?
The US responded to an attack on their embassy and their bases...
The warmongers here are Iran.
If that causes resentment then they can do one tbh... might also cause them to now live with the reality that there are consequences now for their actions and proxy attavkd aren’t going to fly anymore.
Of course the US could just bend over and accept further attacks on their bases, international shipping and threats to international shipping lanes but frankly it’s good they’re taking a stand here tbh...