US kills Iran's General Soleimani

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And lol at you claiming that Soleimani was known for quite some time:p. No one had heard of him until a certain orange POS decided to cause a distraction from his impending impeachment and outright kill him.

Seriously who heard of this guy before ‘Murica took him out??

Actually, there were a number of plans to get rid of him, including at least one involving the SAS back in 2007 that was planned but then shelved. I think he was quite well known in security circles as being somebody who was directly/indirectly behind a lot of very bad stuff.
 
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You absolutely sure about that Nasher?? 110% certain, stake your life on it??
And lol at you claiming that Soleimani was known for quite some time:p. No one had heard of him until a certain orange POS decided to cause a distraction from his impending impeachment and outright kill him.

Seriously who heard of this guy before ‘Murica took him out??

Having been following events in Syria (and some stuff in Lebanon) I knew he existed before this but not in any specific way - didn't have the prominence of say Osama.

Well you can live in your alternative reality while the rest of us sane people live in ours.

I wish this was the reality but wake me up when he is actually behind bars or at least removed from office in disgrace - he has got away with stuff so far that everyone in the Trump thread was crowing would bring him down and that is the reality.
 
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I'm sure @Delvis was making these similar objections back when the Obama administration was carrying out targeted assassinations of Taliban leaders in Afghanistan/Northern Pakistan. He's totally not just jumping in with criticism of this one because of who the current President is.

Did those also lead to a passenger flight being shot down accidently too?
 
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I'm still missing the link here though. All I can deduce is that you hate Trump and a passenger jet is shot down by the Iranians.

Then don't worry yourself about it? Trump apparently ordered to kill the general, who an Iranian General..then, Iranians fire at US (I believe) military bases, then, Iranians fire and shoot down a passenger air plane - I'm not sure how you wouldn't see it any other way. But hey, were all free to think and how we like etc etc :)
 
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And Germany confirmed today that USA blackmailed Britain - France - Germany with tarrifs if they do not get out of the Iran deal.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-confirms-us-car-tariff-threat-over-iran-deal/

Also on the EU black list for Nazi sympathisers was Poroshenko, until few months before he received €5bn to topple the Ukrainian government.

US is always pulling crap like this. From the threatening the UK and France over the Suez, to ignoring IRA funding originating in the US. It's about time Europe told the US to go and do one. It's not like the US is needed in Europe especially if Germany would pull its weight militarily instead of freeloading.
 
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Then don't worry yourself about it? Trump apparently ordered to kill the general, who an Iranian General..then, Iranians fire at US (I believe) military bases, then, Iranians fire and shoot down a passenger air plane - I'm not sure how you wouldn't see it any other way. But hey, were all free to think and how we like etc etc :)

Just to clarify this - You think that the starting point for this current chain of events, as you wrote, is when "Trump apparently ordered to kill the general"???

Then don't worry yourself about it? Trump apparently ordered to kill the general, who an Iranian General..then, Iranians fire at US (I believe) military bases, then, Iranians fire and shoot down a passenger air plane - I'm not sure how you wouldn't see it any other way. But hey, were all free to think and how we like etc etc :)

Thats because rational people aren't deliberately willing to ignore the majority of the actual chain of events which led to Trump ordering the strike in the first place. The strike didn't happen in a vacuum, Trump didn't wake up one day and decide without any reason "Hmmmmm, I feel like killing a random Iranian general today" yet, by making "Trump apparently ordered to kill the general" the starting point to these events, you are telling everyone quite clearly that showing your dislike for Trump is far more important to you than actually acknowledging any of the events that happened previously and the reasons they happened all of which eventually led to Trumps decision. I mean I 'm very happy to discuss whether the decision was right or wrong but if you're willingly being blind to past events which led to the decision being made, maybe to score some kind of "anti-Trump" points, then I'm not sure that we'd be able to have a rational discussion.

Then don't worry yourself about it? Trump apparently ordered to kill the general, who an Iranian General..then, Iranians fire at US (I believe) military bases, then, Iranians fire and shoot down a passenger air plane - I'm not sure how you wouldn't see it any other way. But hey, were all free to think and how we like etc etc :)

Thankfully yes we are!
 
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Not at all, please enlighten me. (And I'm not being sarcastic, I'll genuinely read what you have to write!)

As I said, yeah I hate him, but I don't live there so couldn't care less. My friends and family however have had to deal with him
 
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Not at all, please enlighten me. (And I'm not being sarcastic, I'll genuinely read what you have to write!)

No problem. To be brutally blunt, the issue in Iraq is simply the latest phase of a Sunni vs Shia conflict which has been fought tribally in the region for 1400+ years and won't ever be resolved in our lifetimes but lets start by showing what has been happening with Shia militias (the Iranian backed PMF mainly) in Iraq over the past 12 months and how the US has responded -

Jan 2020- Iran fires ballistic missiles into Iraq and shoots down Ukrainian airliner
Late Dec 2019 - US attacks Shia militia facilities after Rocket attack killed US contractor earlier in the Month - US Embassy then attacked for 2 days by Shia militias leading to the US killing of Suleimani and the leader of the PMF in a drone strike
Early Dec 2019 - US applies sanctions against the 3 main Shia militia leaders after their militia's killed 25 more protestors and wounded 130+ (link) and after the militias constantly fire rockets at US bases eventually killing a US citizen (link)
Nov 2019 - Iraqi Prime Minister resigns - Sunni militias firebomb Iran's Consulate in Najaf in revenge for Shia militias attacks on protestors (link)
Oct 2019 - Suleimani orders Iraqi Shia militias to fight against anti-Shia protestors and they kill 107 and wound 6000+ over 6 days (link)
Sept 2019 - Iran attacks Saudi Arabian oil terminals (link) and fires rockets at Israel (link) after drones hit Shia militia arms dumps (link)
Aug 2019 - US drone attacks Shia militia arms dump to attempt to prevent more rocket attacks (link)
Jul 2019 - Iraqi Prime Minister tells Shia militias to return to military command or be disbanded - the militia leaders all agree but Suleimani tells the militias not to rejoin (link)
Jun 2019 - Shia militia conduct a rocket attack an US run oil refinery (link) whilst in Baghdad the Shia militia stormed the Bahrain embassy because it hosted a "US based peace talk between Arabs and Israel" (link)
May 2019 - More Shia militia rocket attacks against the US Embassy after visit of US Secretary of State (link) who tells Iraq to sort out the Shia militias (link) and after Iran attacks Saudi oil pipelines (link)
Apr 2019 - Shia militias launch rocket attacks against US facilities in the Green Zone (link)
Mar 2019 - Shia militias kidnap and kill two prominent anti-Shia critics whilst forcing a US foot patrol to retreat by using "technicals" (link)
Feb 2019 - US Forces directly face off against Shia militias for the first time in nearly a decade (link) while Christians say Shia militias are beating them (link)
Jan 2019 - Leader of the biggest Shia militia tells US troops to go back home or be driven out by force (link)

Previous Years - The same old "Shia militias fire rockets at the green zone etc" followed by "US tells Iraq to crack down on Shia militias" and repeat until bored.

So just over the last 12 months there has been a slow increase in Shia militia activity from Jan onwards when Shia militias started to build in violence, increasing in intensity until the US Embassy attack in Dec. Then the US kills Suleimani plus the leaders of the PMF and suddenly we get zero Shia militia activity since, which obviously won't last as replacements for those killed will eventually be found, but they'll be far quieter now they know a drone has their name on it if the US decides they've gone "too far".

So what of Suleimani and why don't people know anything about him being "a terrorist". Well plainly put his activities are widely known and have been printed by most Western newspapers but people just don't read the stories printed about him or about what really happens in the Middle East that much. Here's just a few examples of what he's been doing over the past 15+ years. I've picked stories which can be considered either good - fighting Sunni ISIS - or bad - killing US/UK troops to show that the world is never simply "black or white" -

2015 - Inside Iraq directing Shia militias in the fight against Sunni ISIS (link)
2014 - Effectively given amnesty by Obama via the Iran nuclear deal (link)
2013 - Commands Shia miltias and Iranian troops in Syria fighting Sunni ISIS (link - very good article on him BTW!!!)
2012 - After the death of Osama Bin Laden, Gen Suleimani is named as the worlds most dangerous terrorist by Israel (link)
2009 - Several high ranking Quds members (the organisation Suleimani runs) found in Iraq training Shia militias to fight US and UK troops (link)
2007 - President Bush claims Suleimani is directly involved in the deaths of at least 170 US servicemen by arming Shia militias with EFP explosives and training them (link)
etc etc

These sort of stories have been around for at least 15 years. I first heard of him in 2007 during the Madhi uprising where Shia militias unsuccessfully tried to land Iranian supplied 107mm, 122mm and 203mm rockets on my pretty little head whilst I was in Basrah but his Quds force had been active in Basrah since 2004 at least and in Baghdad since 2003 supplying weapons and training to Shia militias.
 
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And Germany confirmed today that USA blackmailed Britain - France - Germany with tarrifs if they do not get out of the Iran deal.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-confirms-us-car-tariff-threat-over-iran-deal/

Also on the EU black list for Nazi sympathisers was Poroshenko, until few months before he received €5bn to topple the Ukrainian government.


"But the German government insists the renewed pressure had no influence on Tuesday’s decision by the three European countries"

Fake news
 
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US is always pulling crap like this. From the threatening the UK and France over the Suez, to ignoring IRA funding originating in the US. It's about time Europe told the US to go and do one. It's not like the US is needed in Europe especially if Germany would pull its weight militarily instead of freeloading.

The US really don't help themselves. They must know that if they don't keep Europe sweet they will turn to Russia as a partner instead.

Fortunately for them, Russia act like total idiots and don't help themselves either.
 
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