Useless at Starcraft 2

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Help, I am utterly dreadful at SC2, I keep playing auto matches on bronze but even at this level the people I'm playing against seem to know exactly what to do to win and have a well thought out strategy.

I have been called a noob numerous times and its frustrating, how am I supposed to improve if even at bronze other players are like gaming gods?

I would just like some simple tips that will work in a variety of situations. Lets keep it to terran tips as I feel I should definetely stick to playing just one race right now.

Maybe some build orders as I am beyond clueless. Perhaps I will see the greatness of this game then!

I am a bit bad at rts in general, I can hold my own in company of heroes and dawn of war 2 but I think these are a bit slow paced in comparison.

Any help would be great, thanks guys :cool:
 
The most important thing at low levels is mechanics.

You need to know all the hotkeys by heart, you need to be able to effectively and neatly macro and micro to a decent level.

Once you've got those down, understanding some strategies and openings becomes worthwhile.

Simply watching Starcraft 2 competitively should help teach you the counters to certain things, but you can always read up on that too.
 
My advice, watch some shoutcasts or live gameplay streams to get a feel for what other people are doing.

As above, the hotkeys will really help you if you can start to learn them and use them naturally.
 
Help, I am utterly dreadful at SC2, I keep playing auto matches on bronze but even at this level the people I'm playing against seem to know exactly what to do to win and have a well thought out strategy.

I have been called a noob numerous times and its frustrating, how am I supposed to improve if even at bronze other players are like gaming gods?

I would just like some simple tips that will work in a variety of situations. Lets keep it to terran tips as I feel I should definetely stick to playing just one race right now.

Maybe some build orders as I am beyond clueless. Perhaps I will see the greatness of this game then!

I am a bit bad at rts in general, I can hold my own in company of heroes and dawn of war 2 but I think these are a bit slow paced in comparison.

Any help would be great, thanks guys :cool:
MARINES

...or against Protoss: MARAUDERS

But seriously, most people in Bronze will go for basic, macro-heavy builds... or cheese. If they're trying some funky build the pros use, they'll probably make loads of mistakes along the way and you should feel bad if you don't crush them.

If you want to enjoy the game and not get frustrated beyond all hell every few games, I suggest the first thing you do is work on handling cheese - 6 pools, cannon-rushes, any kind of all-in etc. If you can work on holding off their cheese, as long as you've played a standard game you will be ahead.

After that, just practice your macro - if yours is better than theirs, you should win. I find the best thing to start on is simply focussing on workers and supply - know when to build your first two or three supply depots, and always build workers. Every second of every game you should know how much your supply is and whether a worker is being built. Make sure your money is as low as possible, but also make sure you don't have too many unit-producing structures - don't build 7 barracks if you can only afford to be building 3 marines at a time. Knowing hotkeys of every building, worker and unit is essential - obviously things like Yamato cannon research can be overlooked because you'll hardly ever be using that, but anything you intend to use a lot should never be clicked. Your goal should be to never point your mouse in the bottom right corner of the screen.

The most important thing as a new players is to NOT turtle in your base. By this I mean being gun-shy, worrying that their army might wreck yours so building more turrets and lining up siege tanks in your main. Be aggressive. Even if you lose, which you will a lot at first, you'll lose by having fun. You won't lose a 30 minute match to a deathball just because your opponent macroed better, took every expansion on the map while you had everything cramped into a little fortress.

Scouting is of course vital as well - many people who turtle rarely have any idea of what's going on outside of their base, and are in the dark for most of the game. Scout continuously. If your scouting worker dies, send another one, or poke with a unit. Even if you aren't too sure of which unit composition is best against the army you've scouted, it's still essential to know what they've got, where they are and when they'll attack.

I'm not very good either, but I understand that anything below Diamond level is all about macroing correctly, knowing unit counters, not being gunshy and perfecting your build order. As you get better you will pick things up along the way - the most important of these is knowing where you should be at which stage, and knowing how many units your opponent can possibly have without actually seeing it.

Also: DAY[9]
 
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Day 9. Watch him. Love him.

http://blip.tv/day9tv

http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-269-newbie-tuesday-how-to-get-into-sc2-4908809

That one especially. Day9 is basically an SC2 commentator who puts out 5 hourly shows a week;
Funday Monday - He sets a silly constraint (This weeks was Mothership rushing, build a mothership before expanding). Not usually as much educational content, but more fun to watch. People play games with these restrictions on the ladder and send the replays in.
Newbie Tuesday - Focuses on lower level play, like us. Covers the real basics, gets people using different unit combinations, or even single units.
The other days are generally just watching a couple of high level games and analysing why they do different things. As a bronze player like yourself, a few things mentioned in these videos are out of our skill level, we don't have enough actions per minute to do fancy micromanagement. But the main thing to do is to keep practicing, watch the minimap and so on.
 
When I started playing the beta, a very good (now pro) player told me:

'The game is like a race, every mistake you make you fall a bit further behind. Don't waste a single second.'

:)
 
One of the best ways I learnt to play was watching numerous commentary videos and then putting that into practice.

Search for the following names on youtube and watch their videos. I prefer Blizshouter myself and for other beginners:

Blizshouter
HDStarcraft
Huskystarcraft
 
I watched popular casters and shoutcasters such as Husky and Day9 when I started. Learn about the game and it's mechanics.

I started by Knowing which unit counters another unit, all the hotkeys and Macro i.e building a strong economy. Practicing macro is more important then micro (controlling your units efficiently) when starting out. Keep spending that money, don't forget to keep building workers and build enough production facilities to keep that mineral/gas count at a minimum.
 
...'The game is like a race, every mistake you make you fall a bit further behind. Don't waste a single second.'..

Almost perfect advice for a player new to the game there. I have a pretty bad habit of writing stupidly long posts in response to these things, but for now suffice to say that your first objective should be mechanics.

Many people liken Starcraft II to chess, which is fine. But the point of a real time strategy game is about being able to perform the correct actions at appropriate times. You dont have time to think in the same way, so you need to be able to go straight to the 'next thing you need to do' in a split second.

Happily with any of the three races (it's easiest with zerg, trolololol) it's very easy to get into a "cycle of macro", where you just get used to doing things at the right time. For example, when an scv finishes at your orbital command, you almost always immediately want to start another one. This develops your economy in an optimal fashion. Similarly when a unit finishes producing at a barracks, you want to start another one immediately. This develops your army optimally.

This provides a basis for your mechanics. You then have to ask whether you're spending your money wisely. If you have 1000 minerals and 500 gas in the bank, it'll just sit there doing nothing, whereas it could represent stim, +1 weapons, +1 armour and a few marines and marauders! So you need to get used to adding production as your economy develops. Obviously as your economy grows you'll have more economy coming in, so adding more structures comes naturally with that. The idea is to keep your money as low as possible. With terran the rule of thumb is generally ~3 unit producing structures per base (with addons). So if you're playing perfectly in a mechanical sense, then this should be all you need. You'll probably find for a while that your money will still increase as your macro improves.

The issue is that if you dont develop optimally then any player who doesnt make the mistake that you do is then ahead. This is where the 'race' analogy comes into play. It's then very difficult to make yourself be ahead or at the same level again if your opponent is still playing optimally.

When you master this cycle of macro for terran, and as long as you recognise basic unit compositions, you'll be in Diamond league without much trouble.


It's tempting to go on a huge discussion about the game, but I'll resist for now. It may be worth looking into coaching, as Astaeri offered. I'm always happy to talk/give advice/play practice games/give coaching when i'm online. Add me on VoidPtr.167 and give me a shout if i'm online! :) I also hang around the OcUK chat channel in game. Feel free to ask any questions.


EDIT: Heh, found one of my older posts. Probably still has some useful advice in it :D Linky: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18830888&postcount=8803
 
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