Utility lines under property?

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Hi all,

We are looking at either an extension or an outbuilding.

Problem is, that our drive runs down the side of the house and has 2 manhole covers for the sewer line. Now my understand is that without a lot of expense an extension is looking like it's a no no because of this.

The rest of the property I am not sure about.

Is there anywhere I can go online to find out quickly if and where water, gas etc might run under the property?
 
Hi all,

We are looking at either an extension or an outbuilding.

Problem is, that our drive runs down the side of the house and has 2 manhole covers for the sewer line. Now my understand is that without a lot of expense an extension is looking like it's a no no because of this.

The rest of the property I am not sure about.

Is there anywhere I can go online to find out quickly if and where water, gas etc might run under the property?

Not for free, you can write to the utility companies and request. Some charge an admin fee.

Should be in your deeds if there are wayleaves for utilities.
 
You can apply to each provider to give you a record however these are rarely accurate. A GPR survey will be more accurate but costly.

The cheapest most accurate is a few trial holes.

Also if they are yours only you can build over some with no issue.

You need to find out if the manholes serve just your property or anyone else's.
 
Shouldnt be an issue. I just built over a sewer line. We had the manhole relocated further down the line just outside of the extension footprint. Wasnt an issue and our regular groundsworkmen did the work for very little extra charge.
 
You should be able to build over a drain without too much problem. You might need to amend the foundations so that they won't put a load onto the pipe.

How deep the drain is will have a bearing on what is needed. For strip footings, it could be as simple as putting a lintel in the wall to span where it crosses the drain.
 
^^ Yes, we had to lintel over the pipes. This is certainly going to be required. No cost there as such though :)
 
I'm surprised by what I am reading here. You can't just build over the sewers or lateral drain lines. You have to apply to utility companies for permit to divert public sewer line under Section 185 of the Water Industry Act 1991. A proper legal agreement is drawn with more clauses that anything else you will encounter while building your new extension and it has to be done before, because the chances of retrospective application being successful are slimmer than winning a lottery. It's often hugely problematic to build within 3 meters from drains and public sewers - I don't know of any utility company that will even discuss scenario where a vital part of drain, let alone manhole or chamber would be linteled/concreted/built over and end up underneath or inside a building.
 
I'm surprised by what I am reading here. You can't just build over the sewers or lateral drain lines. You have to apply to utility companies for permit to divert public sewer line under Section 185 of the Water Industry Act 1991. A proper legal agreement is drawn with more clauses that anything else you will encounter while building your new extension and it has to be done before, because the chances of retrospective application being successful are slimmer than winning a lottery. It's often hugely problematic to build within 3 meters from drains and public sewers - I don't know of any utility company that will even discuss scenario where a vital part of drain, let alone manhole or chamber would be linteled/concreted/built over and end up underneath or inside a building.

Talk about scaremongering :p

The entire process for us was to contact Thames Water development services, and seek permission to build over. One of their engineers asked for a plan which i literally drew in MS Visio myself, I emailed it to him accompanied with some photos of the site. I then followed up with a call to him explain the situation, and then he replied with an email saying that this was fine, and to please relocate the manhole as suggested.

No hassle at all really.
 
What happens if at some point down the line they need to repair/replace the pipe and its under your property?
 
The pipe is your responsibility anyway, or it certainly is in our area. We actually chose to replace the whole pipe on thames waters suggestion thinking about it, and also to avoid a join where the old manhole was.
Best photo ive got after we covered the new pipe in shingle. The wider bit of shingle in the foreground is where the old manhole was.
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Right, so your "regular groundsworkmen" did not "just build over the sewer line" - you had to apply to utility company, they put forward number of requirements that had to be fulfilled, you submitted plans, they drew legal agreement, you then had building inspector amend and supervise the work.

The way you presented could be read as - "don't worry, just pay little extra for your Polish builder to put a lintel over it and move on with ground works"

The pipe is your responsibility anyway, or it certainly is in our area.
Not in most cases Jez - especially not if it serves more than one property. From 1 October 2011, the water and sewerage companies in England and Wales became responsible for privately owned sewers and lateral drains outside of your house.
 
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Right, so your "regular groundsworkmen" did not "just build over the sewer line" - you had to apply to utility company, they put forward number of requirements that had to be fulfilled, you submitted plans, they drew legal agreement, you then had building inspector amend and supervise the work.

The way you presented could be read as - "don't worry, just pay little extra for your Polish builder to put a lintel over it and move on with ground works"

Von, it was very simple, it was one email and a phone call for permission and then it was regular groundswork with near no extra charge.

Stop scaring the guy, it probably isnt an issue :p
 
Stop scaring the guy, it probably isnt an issue :p


It doesn't have to be - but he has to follow the procedure. Previous tenant in my property didn't when they built a garage. That's how I know pain of retrospective applications. Technically, I still don't have a garage (waves a forearm in Alec Guinness-alike motion)...
 
It's only an issue if the drain is shared I believe. If it's your own, then it's very simple. You contact the water company with an explanation of what you're doing, and they will in 99% of cases say yes ok or "we need more information" or "we recommend you do this".
Nothing wrong with building a lintel over the pipe. The moron who built the small extension behind our house didn't do this and just covered over our soil pipe in concrete, so now the building can't take anymore load and it's cost me time and hassle.
 
If it's your own drain, the utility company won't care; it'll be a Building Control issue and will be covered as part of the Building Regs application and their inspections as the extension progresses.
 
I just built over a sewer line. Wasnt an issue

The entire process for us was to contact Thames Water development services, and seek permission to build over. One of their engineers asked for a plan which i literally drew in MS Visio myself, I emailed it to him accompanied with some photos of the site. I then followed up with a call to him explain the situation, and then he replied with an email saying that this was fine, and to please relocate the manhole as suggested.

These are two very different posts :p. V0n is correct, not scaremongering, and just because you were fine doesn't mean the OP will be!

It depends entirely on the type of property and whether anyone else connects into OP's pipe. For example if OP is in a semi detached and the pipe running down the drive is connected into by someone else the whole shared part is the water company responsibility and I'd be surprised if you got permission to build over it.

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Telling someone they are scaremongering for providing perfectly reasonable and accurate advice that would apply to most people doesn't seem right to me, just because your scenario 'wasn't an issue'.
 
I'm surprised by what I am reading here. You can't just build over the sewers or lateral drain lines. You have to apply to utility companies for permit to divert public sewer line under Section 185 of the Water Industry Act 1991.
Actually, you might not have to divert anything, so long as we can still gain access to our manhole. We have a whole department covering build-overs... they're called the "Build-Overs Department". :D

I don't know of any utility company that will even discuss scenario where a vital part of drain, let alone manhole or chamber would be linteled/concreted/built over and end up underneath or inside a building.
Or a train station, or an airport, or a hospital... And yet, we do all that and more - Talk to Developer Services. They will advise you.

What happens if at some point down the line they need to repair/replace the pipe and its under your property?
If you didn't obtain permission to build over it, we *technically* have right of access under Section 159 of the WIA to come in and rip up your nice new kitchen floor, before billing you for an illegal build-over... Chances are we'll work toward a very amicable solution, though!
The enforcement of S159 notices tends to be more for the bigger water pipes and sewers, usually under emegency works where the risks include things like death.

If it's your own drain, the utility company won't care
But the process of establishing ownership is far more complicated than just whether or not it serves more than one property. There's a whole boundary thing now, among other factors. We got a rather thick reference manual on it!


Depending on where you are, you might even find you pay one company for services facilitated by another water company's assets, so you end up talking to the latter instead.
End of the day, the advice is still - Talk to the Developer Services at your local water company, who will tell you *exactly* what the score is and what you must do (including any building standards).
 
Telling someone they are scaremongering for providing perfectly reasonable and accurate advice

Nonsense. This is a very common scenario, ttaskmaster has gone into more detail. It might be an issue, indeed, but it probably wont be. My example was just one such time where it wasnt an issue whatsoever added for some context.

Scaremongering over it is almost what i would expect of this forum, though :p
 
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