VAR and game clocks

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Inspired by the increased amount of added time at the World Cup, I keep hearing commentators asking for a "game clock" so fans can judge how long is due to be added on and for what reason etc.

Why doesn't football apply the same principle as rugby? e.g. ref calls for the clock to stop during injuries and delays etc and the game ends when the ball goes dead after the game clock hits 90. You may play 91 minutes or 101 minutes if the ball doesn't go out of play but at least you can definitively see how long is left. The clock is managed by the fourth official, so it's no additional work on them (beyond calling for time to stop / start). I find it bizarre that processes exist in other sports than could be easily adopted but they're going for a totally different approach.

I suppose the same can be said about VAR - why don't they copy what has worked for years instead of this convoluted system they've got now? VAR is almost universally hated but the TMO in rugby has been the best addition they've made in years.

I'm sure many will know how it works in rugby but allow me to explain;

Ref spots a controversial decision and asks the TMO to review for a specific reason e.g. "John, can you check for a high tackle?". The replays get played on the TV broadcast for the fans and in the stadiums for the spectators and referee etc. Crucially, the audio from the TMO to the referee is played on the broadcast, so you can hear the decision and the logic behind it. Often the referee will interact with the TMO or ask for clarification before a decision.

In football, the referee is put under massive pressure to interpret the VAR decision without any kind of dialog. The fans are left infuriated because they won't always fully understand the reasoning behind the decisions and you could argue that hearing an actual human explaining the offence is more personable than a robotic "Penalty" or "no penalty" decision in isolation. That's before running 50 yards to look at a flatscreen on the side of a pitch which is a total nonsense and slows down the process massively.

So... if other sports are doing it better why isn't football adapting and learning? :confused:
 
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Which would be solved by hearing the discussion between officials. Then analysts would know instantly why a goal has been disallowed instead of having to guess where the offside is.
 
If you had a stop clock it wouldn't be 90mins, you'd need to play 30min halves otherwise the game would go on way too long. There isn't a single Premier League side that manages to keep the ball in play for an hour, so even 30min halves would likely mean 2hrs duration for a typical match including halftime.
 
If you had a stop clock it wouldn't be 90mins, you'd need to play 30min halves otherwise the game would go on way too long. There isn't a single Premier League side that manages to keep the ball in play for an hour, so even 30min halves would likely mean 2hrs duration for a typical match including halftime.

You reckon Premier League teams would continue with that statistic with a clock being stopped in their face.
 
No I don't, but that doesn't change the point I'm making (that you'd effectively be asking games to be elongated by 50%). If you played 90mins game time it would be ridiculous as matches would last for 2.5 hours or more, causing excessive fatigue on players, making it a nightmare for travel after evening fixtures, broadcasters moaning they can't slot in as many games / less predictable match durations, etc.
 
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I do think the gametime would need to be shortened, but I think I'd also prefer that than either the current PL system of 3-5 mins no matter how much stoppage there is or the World Cup system of 20 mins added on time. This would fix the massive time wasting (cough Newcastle) issues we currently have. But of course they won't do it because football is run by incompetents.
 
IMO, extra time should only be for exceptional delays: injuries, people fannying about, streakers, whatever. A match without any of those things should run to 45 minutes. I don't like the ridiculously bloated extra time of this cup.

As for VAR, yeah, rugby does it better, as does cricket and tennis and... I don't know how football messed it up so badly. It'd also help if they mic'd up the refs and dealt with footballs problem with players arguing with the ref.
 
IMO, extra time should only be for exceptional delays: injuries, people fannying about, streakers, whatever. A match without any of those things should run to 45 minutes. I don't like the ridiculously bloated extra time of this cup.

As for VAR, yeah, rugby does it better, as does cricket and tennis and... I don't know how football messed it up so badly. It'd also help if they mic'd up the refs and dealt with footballs problem with players arguing with the ref.
one issue with mic'd up refs is the foul language you will hear from players in close proximity. Kids attend matches, live on TV during the day with F this F that coming out of your TV. I believe foul language is a punishable offence in rugby (correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine it would take a few weeks worth games for that to be stamped out though. As we all know, not all, but there is a large number of football players who aren't exactly the smartest of the bunch.
 
one issue with mic'd up refs is the foul language you will hear from players in close proximity. Kids attend matches, live on TV during the day with F this F that coming out of your TV. I believe foul language is a punishable offence in rugby (correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine it would take a few weeks worth games for that to be stamped out though. As we all know, not all, but there is a large number of football players who aren't exactly the smartest of the bunch.

Yes, you'd need to sort that out first but I think it'd resolve soon enough. Same with arguing with the ref, surrounding the ref, etc. Mostly, I'd like football to be a cleaner game overall, for example I think shirt pulling should be an automatic yellow. It's deliberate cheating.
 
If you had a stop clock it wouldn't be 90mins, you'd need to play 30min halves otherwise the game would go on way too long. There isn't a single Premier League side that manages to keep the ball in play for an hour, so even 30min halves would likely mean 2hrs duration for a typical match including halftime.

It depends how it’s applied, I think.

Stop when the ball goes out for a throw-in or goal kick? No.

Stop when a player is flipping about on the floor? Yes.

Basically, anything that isn’t part of the normal passage of play = stop the clock. Injuries and VAR checks would warrant a stoppage for instance.

I’d also instruct referees to ignore players laying on the floor “injured”, unless flagged by the fourth official or an obvious head injury. Too many players go down clutching their leg and a replay shows that someone stepped on their toe :rolleyes:

For me the crowding and swearing at the officials is even simpler. FA & FIFA tell the teams that any arguing, bad language or disrespectful behaviour toward any match official is an automatic yellow. Dish a few out on day 1 of the season etc, and you’re golden.

Want to tell the linesman to F off? Go ahead… but it’ll cost you an automatic yellow possibly a straight red.
 
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Though I see the merits of the VAR system I don't think it achieves the objective of removing doubt in the game, as it seems to be selectively applied.

The amount of time added on seems excessive. It was called injury time, not add time on for any stoppage in the game.
 
one issue with mic'd up refs is the foul language you will hear from players in close proximity. Kids attend matches, live on TV during the day with F this F that coming out of your TV. I believe foul language is a punishable offence in rugby (correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine it would take a few weeks worth games for that to be stamped out though. As we all know, not all, but there is a large number of football players who aren't exactly the smartest of the bunch.
It's a two second fix, swear at the ref once you get a yellow, swear twice it's a second yellow and your off, I bet you footballers would find a way to curb there language instantly same with surrounding the ref and arguing the toss again make it a bookable offence and it stops instantly but for some reason football doesn't want to remove these things from the game. It is full of ridiculous contradictions like no action being taken after a game despite clear video evidence of cheating because the 'ref had handled it in the game'. It's almost like they don't want to fix it and VAR with it's pointless pitch side monitors why not be like every other sport and just let the video ref make the decision?
 
Interesting that they seem to have basically gone back to the normal amounts of added time after actually adding on a serious amount at the start of the tournament.
 
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