Virgin Adopt it, Talk Talk Reject it

Freedom · 4 Apr 2008 at 11:21

"TalkTalk, part of the Carphone Warehouse has rejected the BPI's "three strikes" scheme which would mean disconnecting customers who the BPI had accused of illegally distributing music on the third strike after warnings."

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3492-talktalk-stand-up-for-users-and-clashes-with-bpi.html

Lets hope this is the start of a trend where all companys, Except Virgin reject the three strikes policy.

shr3k · 4 Apr 2008 at 11:23

Although virgin are wacky and like pi**ing their customers off...

Look at the whole sky incident, it was virgin being petty.

Freedom · 4 Apr 2008 at 11:26

It would be different if Virgin were available to everybody, but they got a limited ammount of customers available that they can sign up, due to them not cabling anymore areas.

There shooting themself in the foot.

stewart.r@ntlwo · 4 Apr 2008 at 11:42

Well my cable is not being used now but its given me about 15yrs use. Moved to skydigital for Tv and just now moving to Be for BB.

There digging there own grave it seems...

Simian · 4 Apr 2008 at 13:46

Ooo thats good.. I'm on Talktalk!!.. :cool:

Not that I condone illegally downloading music etc...

Phil99 · 4 Apr 2008 at 14:05

http://www.computeractive.co.uk/personal-computer-world/news/2213566/virgin-media-denies-purge

Virgin haven't agreed to the three strikes policy at all, at least according to their and the BPI's representatives.

Visage · 4 Apr 2008 at 14:08

Freedom said:
It would be different if Virgin were available to everybody, but they got a limited ammount of customers available that they can sign up, due to them not cabling anymore areas.

There shooting themself in the foot.

ACtually from a commercial POV they're not. Virgin would happily lose the customers that do heavy duty downloading, as they cost them proportionally more than the customers who only use their connection for a bit of surfing and email....

helmutcheese · 4 Apr 2008 at 14:33

Thats was all a rumour, VM as crap as they now are are not doing the above.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a92789/virgin-denies-three-strikes-agreement.html

TriedandTested · 4 Apr 2008 at 15:25

VM are far from crap.

Acid90 · 4 Apr 2008 at 15:34

I'd take VM over Talktalk anyday on the performance front.

But at least Talktalk are doing something right ey?

Cooper · 4 Apr 2008 at 16:05

Acid90 said:
I'd take VM over Talktalk anyday on the performance front.

But at least Talktalk are doing something right ey?

As long as you live in decent postcode and your UBR's arent full to bursting point...then yes

Nothing but a postcode lottery with cable internet.

I'd rather have a stable,reliable lower speed than a flaky, tempremental uber high speed.

v0n · 4 Apr 2008 at 16:38

So far AFAIK the only company that fully agreed to "three strike rule" and already got shafted by BPI in the process was tiscalli. The story has it they investigated number of customers pointed by BPI, and based on evidence and logs issued "strikes" to some, but then it turned out BPI had no intention of paying for neither logging infrastructure nor man hours involved in checking and verifying every case of "this IP address shared 1/20th of Beyonce's song on Friday". So effectively it is kind of "we'll make you busy and make you pay for kicking your own customers out for our greater good" deal.

I'm actually suprised, because after all the ellacoya mess I expected Plus.net to be the first "busy body". They are on the roll for the past few years shedding and "FUP"ing anyone and everyone who dares to use more than a floppy worth of their bandwith, it looked like another great opportunity for them to get bad press...

helmutcheese · 4 Apr 2008 at 17:24

TriedandTested said:
VM are far from crap.

IMO VM (NTL) are crap, I had a far better service from TW-BY, guess you were on NTL lol.

mishima · 4 Apr 2008 at 18:26

I agree entirely with what Charles Dunstone says, ISPs cannot police the services they provide its down to another body to do this.

Rabtech · 4 Apr 2008 at 21:05

Charles D is my hero for the week, probably an annoucement based more on cost than actual policing - but its a big 'kiss my ass' to the BPI/RIAA etc

There are much better ways to discourage piracy and the sooner they learn the better - mofos...

james.miller · 4 Apr 2008 at 21:09

not sure how i feel about this

no i think its fine really. people say the ISP's shouldn't have the power to police the service they provide but i bet youd police your conection if you were letting somebody use it. its amazing ISP's arent in more trouble than they already are for not getting pro-active sooner.

Rabtech · 4 Apr 2008 at 21:13

james.miller said:
not sure how i feel about this

no i think its fine really. people say the ISP's shouldn't have the power to police the service they provide but i bet youd police your conection if you were letting somebody use it. its amazing ISP's arent in more trouble than they already are for not getting pro-active sooner.

Policing on a small scale may be justified, have you any idea how fat the pipes are and just how much data is going through those pipes at any one time?

Apart from not having the kit any time soon to distinguish between legal and illegal content/traffic, you think the ISP would pay for that kit/monitoring costs it if they did? Then actively kick off paying subscribers.... then you get human rights, data protection malarky to go through (not a bad thing all the time either...).

The RIAA/BPI are on a different planet, until they 'adapt' to online business models that are reasonable, 'without' any DRM/fingerprinting etc then they'll continue to fight a losing battle.

Simian · 4 Apr 2008 at 23:28

Cooper said:
As long as you live in decent postcode and your UBR's arent full to bursting point...then yes

Nothing but a postcode lottery with cable internet.

I'd rather have a stable,reliable lower speed than a flaky, tempremental uber high speed.

One of the Problems where I live!!.. No Cables in the Street (quite a new estate too!!) and VM over the phone would only give me upto 2mb.. I've got 4mb (upto 8mb) with TalkTalk!!... and I've had a reletivly trouble free 2 years of service with em!!

Robert · 5 Apr 2008 at 00:14

This isn't much different from what they did anyways :/

Stellios · 5 Apr 2008 at 00:51

Im impressed, i though someone like talktalk would be more than happy to boot the majority of its heavy users and illegal content users.

TalkTalk just got a little bit more respect off me, as much as Id rather not be on them.