After being "out of contract" for ages I eventually got round to trying to get a better deal (complicated by my getting TNT sports in current prior contract and seemed that that would be a significant addition to any renewal) so see they were offering a reasonable renewal deal (~30% off previous price) so went on chat to confirm that this was like-for-like renewal (renewal deal didn't mention 2nd box etc) ... VM person said "let me see what the best deal I can get for you is" (felt hopeful at this) .... after about 20 mins of "this is taking longer than expected please wait" they gave me an offer which was slightly more expensive than I was always paying with less things included! Said that this was worse than my out-of-contract deal and significantly worse than the website recontracting offer.I called the retentions. Got a crap deal still. Don't think it's my year. Just gave up and stuck with the price they gave