Virgin Superhub and adding a 2nd router.

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Hi

Ive been searching for some help on this issue and decided to register here to see if anyone can help as cant see the answers to my questions anywhere, even on this forum.

Last week I had Virgins 50mb broadband installed upgraded from their 10mb version that I was previously on. When I was on the 10mb broadband I used my own belkin f5d8235-4 v2000 to allow me to connect wireless.

When I had the 50mb broadband installed I got Virgins superhub and dont need to use my belkin router anymore.

I also have a pc upstairs with a g wireless network card installed in it and its next to it is my playstation 3 which again connects wireless to the superhub. However as they both use g they do not get the full download speeds
of the 50mb broadband

The pc and the ps3 are in the same room but too far away from the superhub to make them wired.

Is there anyway I could use my belkin router to have a wired connection to both the ps3 and the pc upstairs and then allow the belkin router to access the superhub downstairs? Allowing me faster speeds than connecting wireless at g speeds? Also saving me paying for a n adaptor for the upstairs pc.

Hope that makes sense and someone can help as I have been searching around for 2 days to see if its possible and the only way I have seen people ask to do it is by connecting the 2 routers with a wired connection.

Thanks
 
Thanks for the replies.

Is there anyway I can do it by not running a wire from the superhub to the belkin? i.e. do it wireless? Just its a bit far to put a cable in
 
Duke said:
Well you can but the speed will still be as slow as the wireless, so there isn't much point of doing it that way from your current set up.
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Even if the superhub and the belkin were 'n'?

the pc upstairs only has a 'g' wireless adaptor as does the ps3.

So superhub would transmit 'n' broadband and the belkin router would recieve the 'n' broadband and the pc and ps3 would be wired to the belkin router giving a faster connection than a 'g' wireless they have now.

Would it be faster than what it is now?
 
Durzel said:
Yes, it would.

If I'm understanding this correctly this is what you'd be proposing:


( upstairs network - ps3/pc )->belkin (wired) >> wireless bridge >> superhub->internet

If that's right, then yes you would be getting wireless-N speeds to the upstairs PS3 & PC. The Belkin would be operating purely as an access-point (AP), extending the wireless network that the SuperHub is providing.

What is connected to the SuperHub downstairs? Anything?
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Yes thats exactly what I would be looking to do.

Downstairs I have the main pc wired to the superhub.
 
Duke said:
The 'N' wireless will still be split between more than one device, so the speed difference with that vs individual G using their own wireless is going to be next to none? If only using one at a time then it would be a bit quicker.
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Even if the devices arent always used at the same time?
 
Khaaan! said:
Yes.

you might find even if each device doesn't connect at full N then it will connect at half N (150Mbps) which is still fine for 50Mb, although, d you really need the full speed going to a console? unless you're downloading games via its online service and need stuff a bit quicker?
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That would be good enough. I want to stream 1080p movies through the ps3 so it would be fast enough.

Cheers
 
right think im getting confused. Is this what I should do for what I want?

My main router (Virgin Superhub) needs to have an active internet connection and have DHCP enabled.
I need to set DHCP Range to 192.168.XX.5 to 192.168.XX.200 (Leaving the first 5 numbers not in the DHCP Range, the XX represents .1 or .0 or .2 or whatever the IP of your router is))

On the second router (belkin f5d8235-4 v2000) you need to change the LAN IP address to 192.168.XX.2. Change the WIFI setting so they are the same SSID and Password but different channels (1, 6, 11 are recomended). Finally Disable DHCP on the belkin f5d8235-4 v2000.

You can now access internet from both routers, and also have access to both router web GUIs. You can change settings in the Main on by going 192.168.XX.1 and the seconds by going to 192.168.XX.2
 
Mercutio said:
Personally, rather than messing about with wireless i'd just get a pair of 80MB+ homeplugs for £40 a call it done? Much less variable than speed vs signal strength etc.
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The reason I was trying to do this was because I already have the equipment. Saves spending money when I dont need to. Using the equipment that I have instead of it doing nothing.
 
Duke said:
you need to set the wireless to bridge mode, but the rest is the same as I put originally (as if you were going to use a cable to connect them together).
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I cant find the bridge mode on my belkin router. I have found the option to use as an access point but Ive followed the steps and it hasnt worked.

Any idea on where I'm going wrong as I'm following the above info.
 
Spent a lot of time on this yesterday and not got any further :confused: :confused:

On the belkin router. I change the SSID name to the same as the virgin superhub. Change the password to the same and change the channel to 11.

Put the router into acess point mode and change the ip address as per above so its in the same range as the virgin superhub which is 192.168.0.2 (The belkin defaults at 192.168.2.1).

Once Ive done this it doesnt work or get wireless internet vis the virgin superhub and by using the original or new ip address I cant acess the settings of the belkin router now either. I end up having to press the reset button and start again.

What am I doing wrong? I am a bit of a newbie with this sort of stuff
 
Well I am setting it up correctly as took the belkin router downstairs. Turned it into an access point. Wired from the virgin superhub lan port to the belkin modem port and then wired the laptop to one of the belkin wan ports. Everything running fine and internet on.

Done a speed test


I dont understand why it wont connect wireless. Exactly the same set up as above but with no wire from the superhub to the belkin. i.e. they talk to each as wireless?
 
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Well after a couple of days trying to work it out it does look like I'm going to have to run a wire upstairs to the router to do what I want to do. At least its only 1 wire running upstairs to 1 router (giving me 4 wired connections if I need to) than 2 wires, one for a pc and one for a ps3. It seems a cheaper option than buying homeplugs as already got the router.

I only bought the router last year as it was a 'n' router. It was a replacement to my WRT54, which I still have. What would be better bearing in mind that the network is going to be wired.

1. Using the Belkin as a 2nd router to connect the pc and ps3 upstairs all wired.
2. Upadate the firmware on the WRT54 to tomato and using that to do exactly the same as number 1?

Whichever router I use the pc and ps3 will be connected via a wire and the router will be connected to the superhub again via a wire so shouldn't affect speed, should it?
 
Im getting confused now. Typed into google to make sure the linksys has a bridging mode and it came up with this

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge

Thats exactly what Ive been trying to do and if you look at the diagram is exactly what I wanted to do to save running a wire upstairs.


If 2 linksys can do it then why cant I do it with a belkin router that is 'n' speed? if the linksys, an older model can do it, then I dont understand why my n+ belkin wont let me do it?
 
got it working on the linksys

virgin superhub --> Wireless --- Linskys router with tomato firmware --to wired pc and ps3.

however defeats the object as only getting g speeds



in the tomato firmware it has an option to create a wireless network bridge so guessing its because the firmware of the belkin doesnt allow me to do what I want wireless. Only through a wire?

So it looks like running a cable is my only option
 
the above test was all in the same room as the superhub.

Transferred upstairs and ran same tests and speeds even slower.




So looks like I will have to get a wire no matter what.

Thanks everyone that has helped though.
 
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