vista upgrade, dual bootable?

turbotoes · 29 Jan 2007 at 10:06

Can anyone confirm that is is NOT possible to dual boot (with XP) a retail upgrade of vista please.

thank you

Dutch Guy · 29 Jan 2007 at 10:08

Upgrades can never be made dual bootable as dual boot requires a full new installation and you cannot make a new installation without having XP already installed.

turbotoes · 29 Jan 2007 at 10:25

I thought that was the case, just wanted to be sure.

thanks

Dutch Guy · 29 Jan 2007 at 11:39

More confirmation:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5887

acs1 · 29 Jan 2007 at 11:41

Interesting I have the upgrade version of vista and just managed to dual boot both that and xp. When I installed vista via xp it asked me to upgrade or clean install on a different partition, which I did, and installed it on my d drive, with xp on my c and it works perfectly.

Dutch Guy · 29 Jan 2007 at 12:13

acs1 said:
Interesting I have the upgrade version of vista and just managed to dual boot both that and xp. When I installed vista via xp it asked me to upgrade or clean install on a different partition, which I did, and installed it on my d drive, with xp on my c and it works perfectly.

Interesting indeed as that should not be possible :confused:

Perhaps in your situation it is possible as you already have XP installed?

Have you activated Vista yet without problems?

A[L]C · 29 Jan 2007 at 12:24

How about installing two copies of XP, then upgrading one?

acs1 · 29 Jan 2007 at 12:51

Dutch Guy said:
Interesting indeed as that should not be possible

Perhaps in your situation it is possible as you already have XP installed?

Have you activated Vista yet without problems?

Yes already had an activated copy of xp on my hard drive. it accepted the cd key and allowed me to activate vista aswell. It seems that as long as you have xp installed you can do a clean boot just not through the dos menu. Saying that though the 64bit edition will only install through dos and not windows!!!

My thinking is to use an old hard drive and keep xp on there for times when vista needs to be reinstalled. Plug it in and install vista and then remove it again and keep it safe!!

dirtydog · 29 Jan 2007 at 12:53

acs1 said:
Interesting I have the upgrade version of vista and just managed to dual boot both that and xp. When I installed vista via xp it asked me to upgrade or clean install on a different partition, which I did, and installed it on my d drive, with xp on my c and it works perfectly.

Although you may have done it, surely it is against the license terms.

acs1 · 29 Jan 2007 at 13:05

dirtydog said:
Although you may have done it, surely it is against the license terms.

I do not know if it is or not but surely if it was against the license terms then the vista install program should not of allowed me to do it??

bfar · 29 Jan 2007 at 14:50

dirtydog said:
Although you may have done it, surely it is against the license terms.

Why not? He has a key for both OS's. He can only use one at a time.

Dutch Guy · 29 Jan 2007 at 15:06

As long as you have a valid XP install and you install Vista from Windows XP and choose a separate partition it will work, this will not work when booting from the Vista DVD and install that way.

I don't think this is against the rules as you still need a valid XP install for it to work, I doubt Vista will install if you have an illegal XP install.

Burnsy2023 · 29 Jan 2007 at 16:59

Dutch Guy said:
I don't think this is against the rules as you still need a valid XP install for it to work, I doubt Vista will install if you have an illegal XP install.

It is most definetly against the Licencing terms. You are licenced per copy, per device, meaning only one installation of XP is allowed per machine. You may think that as you have XP and Vista on the same machine you are fine as you only have on installation of XP, but that's not quite right. You need a fully licenced qualifying product for the upgrade and by already having an existing XP installation, you void the right to use Vista.

Burnsy

Dutch Guy · 29 Jan 2007 at 21:12

burnsy2023 said:
It is most definetly against the Licencing terms. You are licenced per copy, per device, meaning only one installation of XP is allowed per machine. You may think that as you have XP and Vista on the same machine you are fine as you only have on installation of XP, but that's not quite right. You need a fully licenced qualifying product for the upgrade and by already having an existing XP installation, you void the right to use Vista.

Burnsy

I think I see what you mean, so legally you can only have 1 installed OS, either XP or Vista, not XP and Vista?

Fr0dders · 29 Jan 2007 at 21:17

burnsy2023 said:
It is most definetly against the Licencing terms. You are licenced per copy, per device, meaning only one installation of XP is allowed per machine. You may think that as you have XP and Vista on the same machine you are fine as you only have on installation of XP, but that's not quite right. You need a fully licenced qualifying product for the upgrade and by already having an existing XP installation, you void the right to use Vista.

Burnsy

so why do they include the option in the installer then ?

if your only supposed to be able to upgrade the existing copy of XP, why add the option to install it onto a separate drive ?

either you've got your facts wrong or its another case of MS saying one thing, and doing another.

Burnsy2023 · 29 Jan 2007 at 22:12

MrLOL said:
either you've got your facts wrong or its another case of MS saying one thing, and doing another.

I'm pretty confident I'm not wrong

Dutch Guy said:
I think I see what you mean, so legally you can only have 1 installed OS, either XP or Vista, not XP and Vista?

On an OEM licence you can only have one install on the machine at a time. The EULA specifically states that:

You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER.

By performing an upgrade you 'use' the OEM licence. Remember the upgrade is an extension of the qualifying product licence and not a new copy of the os per se.

Burnsy