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AdamScott85

AdamScott85

AdamScott85

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Hey guys,

So I was looking into moving into VR about 6 months back, but now I have the rig to run it properly and it's time to move into VR. I am not sure exactly what I need, I want the highest res I can get but I would be looking for a wireless unit (If these even exist?), also it would have to come with everything else needed. What are my options guys? Price doesn't matter.
 
If price dosent matter, and you are willing to pay what ever it takes to get the best VR experience, I would say the Vive Pro, I normally recommend the Rift over the Vive, and would do 99% of the time.
But, if money isnt an issue and you want wireless VR than the Vive Pro is arguably the one to go for, not for the Vive Pro it’s self, but for the Wireless addon and the soon to be released knuckle controllers, one of the reasons I say to people buy a Rift over the Vive is because of the controllers, I hate the Vive Wands, the Oculus Touch controllers are better in every way, but, if money isn’t an issue HTC are releasing new Knuckle controllers, for the Vive and Vive Pro, which are more in line with the superior Oculus Touch controllers.

All this won’t come cheap, I believe you are looking at over £1000 for a Vive Pro with x2 lighthouse sensors, and x2 Vive Wands
£350 for the Vive Pro wireless adapter
And I’m not sure about the knuckles controllers, I would estimate around £150.

Wether that’s worth it to you is up to you.

I still prefer the Oculus Rift over the Vive, I love the user interface, and Oculus’s own funded games are amongst the best around, if you are planning on using a dedicated room for VR (I’m incredibly jealous of those people..) then there’s an overhead cable management solution called Midwec, that many people swear by, I would recommend looking into that rather than using a wireless adapter that ‘could’ cause frame loss and stutter.

Just to throw another option out to you, there is a company releasing two new headsets soon, the Pimax 5k and 8k, personally I wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole after my experience with an earlier VR headset, it was awful, and fell apart in my hands after 3 months, but that’s just my own opinion.
 
Yes that bundle has everything you need to get going, including the wireless adopter and V2.0 base stations. I tried the TP Cast wireless setup for a few days earlier in the year and going wireless is definitely an improvement in room scale immersion. I'm just waiting on the official stock to appear as the TP setup is a bit clunky though perfectly functional.

You could get a cheap 2nd hand Rift HMD and dip your toes as it were and then go the full Vive Pro wireless bundle for a proven HMD setup if you like it. Not everyone gets on with VR personally I can't do free walking motion in worlds as I get nauseous after 20 mins. Sitting and warping about is fine though. You could also buy the Pimax 5K+ HMD only later and use it with your Vive tracking & controller setup but I'm not sure on the wireless compatibility but it needs some time in the field after release to prove it's worth though.

The upgrade from a Vive Pro HMD wouldn't be so great. After that we are hitting the current GFX limits for resolution and frame rate.
 
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You might consider a Pimax headset? If you aren't in a mad rush, they should be coming on sale before the end of the year.
 
As a Pimax backer myself, I'm fully aware that while they look to be the mutt's nuts technically, Pimax are a startup company and if I get a duff unit there is a big concern regarding customer service. Oculus didn't blow the world away in the first 6 months in this respect either, I know because I had issues myself. If money is no object but you want to avoid the Pimax support risk then Vive Pro is up there on the list. I suggest you watch sweviver and MRTV youtube reviews as they normally compare headsets regularly. MRTV in particular has already criticised Pimax for their comms skills and he was one of the lucky few who tested the production units. He does say however that going back even to Vive Pro is a massive step back from Pimax
 
I was looking at Pimax and I know they offer a great deal of enhancements, but I always tend to purchase from tried and trusted manufacturers and I have read and seen a lot of negativity surrounding the Pimax. I understand however that it was in the early stages, I think I will likely do the Full Vive Pro with wireless. Do we know when Pimax will be properly ready and tested? I do want wireless more than anything, wires would simply spoil the experience for me.
 
AdamScott85 said:
I was looking at Pimax and I know they offer a great deal of enhancements, but I always tend to purchase from tried and trusted manufacturers and I have read and seen a lot of negativity surrounding the Pimax. I understand however that it was in the early stages, I think I will likely do the Full Vive Pro with wireless. Do we know when Pimax will be properly ready and tested? I do want wireless more than anything, wires would simply spoil the experience for me.
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Pimax headsets are ready and tested, first batch is shipping very soon (next week or two). Retail units will be shipped early next year I think, once all (2000+) backers have theirs. The Pimax visually is such a massive upgrade to the rift/vive and even vive pro both in clarity and FOV that you should really take a look at the reviews, but as I mentioned, there is a big question mark over how they will deal with issues...
 
AdamScott85 said:
I was looking at Pimax and I know they offer a great deal of enhancements, but I always tend to purchase from tried and trusted manufacturers and I have read and seen a lot of negativity surrounding the Pimax. I understand however that it was in the early stages, I think I will likely do the Full Vive Pro with wireless. Do we know when Pimax will be properly ready and tested? I do want wireless more than anything, wires would simply spoil the experience for me.
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I thought the same but I really do not notice the thick cable with the Rift.

Personally, I am addicted to VR now, it's really got me back into gaming. However, at this time, there is no way I'd drop £1.5k'ish on just the VR gear, not even counting the GPU you need to run that well. You also need to see how you react to it, motion sickness wise, depending which games you like to play. Could be an expensive puke!

The whole VR genre has massive potential but we're 1 to 2 gens away from it really hitting a sweet spot IMO, again, ignoring the GPU grunt that will be required.

TL:DR: I'd get the Rift and see how you like the experience, or at least try one first. Then spend the cash when the tech has taken 1 / 2 steps forward.
 
The VR sets are good enough now, but they lack full games to play on them at the moment. Games like Robo Recall are loads of fun though.
 
AdamScott85 said:
Thanks mate, so looking at ocuk is this what I need when released https://www.overclockers.co.uk/htc-...daptor-adaptor-clip-spare-batt-vr-00u-hc.html And then wait for the knuckle controller? Or is there more I need. Sorry I am new to vr.
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Sorry for my late reply, but yes that bundle and then the controllers down the line would be perfect.

Some sensible comments on here too, did you look at the Midwec overhead pulley system? A Rift and one of those (and an extra rift sensor) would be a great way of getting into VR right now. But if money is no issue, that bundle would be perfect
 
what rig do you have?

I'd rather get a rift and upgrade the rig to be able to handle pimax/next gen VR personally for when that drops next year.

mainly because i think the vive controllers / trackpads will be awful for a lot of games that require locomotion.
 
Pimax start shipping next week, might be worth hanging on to see how the reviews are if you’re not in a rush...they have the potential to be the start of gen2
 
aoaaron said:
what rig do you have?

I'd rather get a rift and upgrade the rig to be able to handle pimax/next gen VR personally for when that drops next year.

mainly because i think the vive controllers / trackpads will be awful for a lot of games that require locomotion.
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The trackpad works great for strafing/movement in free loco games, it works like oldschool sliding fingers across the keyboard. The quickest games like Gunheart, Seeking Dawn, Dead Effect, I can circle strafe about as fast as I could back in q2/3 UT from back in the day.

And you might not be aware it seems that your recommending the Pimax which currently utilizes the Vive lighthouse system, thus the controllers:o
 
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The trackpad works great for strafing/movement in free loco games, it works like oldschool sliding fingers across the keyboard. The quickest games like Gunheart, Seeking Dawn, Dead Effect, I can circle strafe about as fast as I could back in q2/3 UT from back in the day.

And you might not be aware it seems that your recommending the Pimax which currently utilizes the Vive lighthouse system, thus the controllers:o
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i reccomended the rift.

i'd get a pimax once knuckles are released.
 
On the pimax can you reduce the resolution? GPUs out today won't be able to run VR at 2x4k convincingly. But even running it at a lower res should get rid of most of the screendoor effect of a lower res screen.
 
You can adjust scaling in Steam VR settings and the PiTool.
While the 8k might have 2x4k screens, it's still being run on the same 2x1440p input signal as the 5k+. It's just upscaled internally.
 
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