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No doubt this issue has been raised before.

Why does the Scirocco R not have AWD?
Why is the Golf R considerably more expensive?

I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact VW want the Golf to be their flagship R car? If this is the case isn't it a bit ridiculous, I can imagine a large segment of buyers who would choose alternatives to the Scirocco R in fear that 270bhp is too much for the front wheels.

Asides from price, the only thing that seems to divide the S3 and the Golf R is the fact the S3 looks like it's about 7 years old and has had some modern bits glued on. So unless you share that view I don't see why anyone would pay substantially more for the Golf.

In the same way why is the new RS3 5-door. Again, is that something to do with the fact that Audi assume anyone looking for a 3-door RS3 will automatically choose the TT-RS? Again this strikes me as being a ridiculous assumption.

Can anyone shed some light on this?
 
Saytan said:
the scirocco R not having AWD will be at least part of the reason the golf is more costly

AWD costs money.
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Doesn't the Scirocco GT have the same engine as the Golf GTI.

Why not give the R AWD and put the price up in line with the Golf R?

I'm sure, for the sake of argument, VW have a better idea of the market demand than I do. However IMO the Scirocco R looks much better than the Golf R yet, price aside, I would pick the Golf every time because it has AWD - I don't care what electronic gadgets the Scirocco has, it's not the same.
 
Perhaps there were restrictions with the interior or other Scirocco differences that prevented them from making it 4WD for a decent price.
 
MrLOL said:
my guess is that they feel that putting AWD on the Scirroco R would price it out of the market.
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I can understand this.

The Golf R32 had a cult following and it's probably true that a significant proportion of Golf buyers wanting the 'best' model (think of the housewives) would simply opt for the GTI. If you translate that to the Scirocco I guess maybe there's reason to say they'd be worried that the demand for a more expensive model wouldn't be there.
 
The Golf R will presumably compete against the S3 - a car thats over £30k without options.

The Golf R starts at £31,095 so is price comparable.

In theory, its completely pointless of course because the golf R should never have existed in the first place as VW / Audi have shares in each other making them effectively the same company thus competing against themselves.

But in reality, as already said - the golf brand following is enough to target a whole market that wouldnt buy an S3 but would a Golf R.


At a guess they havent gone that far with the price because the scirroco doesnt have that following ?
 
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MrLOL said:
Completely pointless of course because the golf R should never have existed in the first place as VW / Audi have shares in each other making them effectively the same company thus competing against themselves. But as already said - the golf brand following is enough to target a whole market that wouldnt buy an S3 but would a Golf R.?
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Not everyone wanting to buy an S3 or a Golf R will compare them though.

Again surely this relates to the R32 having a cult following. Many potential R customers won't even consider the S3.

EDIT - I just realised your last sentence said exactly this! :D
 
MrLOL said:
In theory, its completely pointless of course because the golf R should never have existed in the first place as VW / Audi have shares in each other making them effectively the same company thus competing against themselves.
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This is, of course, complete rubbish.

Companies compete against themselves all the time and it is healthy to do so.

Not to mention the sales maximising market segmentation brought about by having Audi-->VW-->Skoda-->Seat all flogging very similar products to very different people.
 
If the Passat R36 is still in production, then that'll be the flagship R. Until they bring out a new Touareg R..
 
Robbie G said:
This is, of course, complete rubbish.

Companies compete against themselves all the time and it is healthy to do so.

Not to mention the sales maximising market segmentation brought about by having Audi-->VW-->Skoda-->Seat all flogging very similar products to very different people.
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who else apart from the VW / Audi / Skoda / Seat group make cars that compete directly with their own cars ?

Porsche for example were very carefull to make the Cayman S not compete with the 911 and reportedly hampered it as a result.
 
Great, another random TommyG thread :D

Robbie G said:
This is, of course, complete rubbish.

Companies compete against themselves all the time and it is healthy to do so.
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Robbie is completely correct here. Competition amongst different divisions of the same parent company happens all the time and there are sound commercial reasons for doing it.
 
MrLOL said:
VW / Audi have shares in each other making them effectively the same company
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Eh?

Effectively the same company? There is no effectively about it - they are all part of the same group. Audi is a wholly owned subsiduary of Volkswagen Group. Audi do not own shares in VW?
 
MrLOL said:
who else apart from the VW / Audi / Skoda / Seat group make cars that compete directly with their own cars ?
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Land Rover

PSA (Citroen Peugeot)

Nissan and Renault, althought they are seperating their products recently.

Peoples apathy goes along way aswell as people wanting the latest and greatest yet something different to what that had last time.
 
[TW]Fox;18211247 said:
Great, another random TommyG thread :D
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Tongue in cheek? You know this is a Motors forum, funnily enough it's a place in which people with an active interest in motors participate. Before you draw any conclusions this thread has absolutely nothing to do with any purchase decisions. I am not contemplating buying either!
 
scott212 said:
Tongue in cheek? You know this is a Motors forum, funnily enough it's a place in which people with an active interest in motors participate. Before you draw any conclusions this thread has absolutely nothing to do with any purchase decisions. I am not contemplating buying either!
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How dare you.

Fox runs this forum as he spends most of his life on here.

When he has children with his long suffering girlfriend, who is also a BMW specialist (through no fault of her own) they will take over.

Get off the soap box and surrender your will to the trouser wearing fox.
 
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