W7 just works, Windows 10 does not

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And they've had plenty of time now to fix the problems. Using clean install of W10 Pro.

Having now used W10 since release, I am about to roll back to W7. I have a Z77 motherboard, and a 280X. Best drivers for all hardware. W7 works perfectly with my hardware, but 10 has a whole list of issues (still). Maybe I'll "upgrade" again after SP1.

Remember that none of these issues plague Win7:

1. Monitor will not wake up out of standby. The PC remains on, but neither moving mouse/kb, or pressing power button has any effect. Have to hard reset PC. Workaround to use "blank screen" screensaver, disable monitor sleep completely. Annoying, and wasteful of electric.

2. USB mouse/kb stops working, randomly. Have to unplug receiver and plug it back in (same USB port is fine). However, sometimes on replugging the PC will hard lock. This is causing loss of work, as you obviously can't save anything without mouse or kb input. Deal breaker right here.

3. A regular occurrence is that I can't open new apps or folder windows. I can still use apps that are open, but not launch new ones. Roughly 5-10 minutes later - no exaggeration - all the apps I tried to open launch at once. Inexcusable.

4. Often cannot shut down or restart. Machine just sits forever at "shutting down", and you have to hard reset. Annoying.

5. Have to disable sleep function for all my HDDs, otherwise random blue screens every day. I guess not a big deal, but annoying.

6. Inability to increase text size without magnifying everything else (makes Steam and other apps look like crap). Something so simple to do in W7 is no longer present? If choosing 125% (everything) size, text in all dialogs and many apps becomes totally blurred. Utter crap.

This is a clean install, and like I said none of these issues are present in W7.

So for me the choice is:

W7: Stable, 100% working hardware, a tad slower to startup.

W10: DX12, faster to startup, crashes, bugs, some deal-breaking.

Given that we are many months past release, I would not recommend Windows 10 at this time, unless you have brand new hardware. Frankly, I think W10 is a pile of ****. We're forced to use it to get DX12, but it has literally nothing I want that W7 didn't do better.

Apparently also W8 had some of these bugs, and they /never/ fixed them. So I'm not holding out much hope for W10. Microsoft's answer is probably to upgrade your hardware to something that's "designed for W10" instead.
 
You're just unlucky. I'm running a 990FX board which is a few years old now with an FX8320E and a 290 and I have had zero issues.

So much so I have not even bothered to refresh it back to a clean install from the upgrade as it just works.
 
Reading some of your glitches reminds me of the pain ive just been through recently, turned out it was the mobo acting up.

Have you gone back to Win7 to test since?

On the other hand, win10 really is a massive pile of steaming **** - im typing this on my tablet screen kb, with clack noises for ever letter typed and no predictive/autpcorrect despite both settimgs being toggled the other way. i keep it on tje tablet because its slightly better than 8 for tablets. i need it on desktop for dx12. Have a few customers using it on their work machines who bitch at me when things go wrong.
 
Im on the insider program, hopefully if enough people join up, they will get lots of reports of these bugs and sort them out, theyre constantly bringing out new builds and updates. Luckily i just use the PC for gaming and music so i dont mind having a lot of the win10 problems while theyre getting it sorted. If i was using my PC professionally i would have switched back to 7 right away.
 
Most users are not having those issues, I'm not saying there aren't bugs or problems but just because you are having a hard time of things does not mean everybody is. As suggested above I would suspect there is some sort of hardware / BIOS issue at play here.
 
Some of your issues sound like either dodgy chipset drivers or a problem with the motherboard but some of the issues I've run into as well - most of my install of 10 at some point have started acting up with apps/explorer requiring a fresh install to sort after which point they slowly creep back to acting up again :S (this is over a variety of VM and actual hardware - at first I thought it was due to some of them having been updated again and again over older preview installs but fresh installs also start doing it randomly).
 
My experience with win 10 on about 5 different computes ranging from desktop to small hybrid laptops has been positive.

Where win 7 was slow and clunky and had a myriad of issues an upgrade to win 10 sorted everything out automatically.
 
FoxEye said:
And they've had plenty of time now to fix the problems. Using clean install of W10 Pro.

Having now used W10 since release, I am about to roll back to W7. I have a Z77 motherboard, and a 280X. Best drivers for all hardware. W7 works perfectly with my hardware, but 10 has a whole list of issues (still). Maybe I'll "upgrade" again after SP1.

Remember that none of these issues plague Win7:

1. Monitor will not wake up out of standby. The PC remains on, but neither moving mouse/kb, or pressing power button has any effect. Have to hard reset PC. Workaround to use "blank screen" screensaver, disable monitor sleep completely. Annoying, and wasteful of electric.

2. USB mouse/kb stops working, randomly. Have to unplug receiver and plug it back in (same USB port is fine). However, sometimes on replugging the PC will hard lock. This is causing loss of work, as you obviously can't save anything without mouse or kb input. Deal breaker right here.

3. A regular occurrence is that I can't open new apps or folder windows. I can still use apps that are open, but not launch new ones. Roughly 5-10 minutes later - no exaggeration - all the apps I tried to open launch at once. Inexcusable.

4. Often cannot shut down or restart. Machine just sits forever at "shutting down", and you have to hard reset. Annoying.

5. Have to disable sleep function for all my HDDs, otherwise random blue screens every day. I guess not a big deal, but annoying.

6. Inability to increase text size without magnifying everything else (makes Steam and other apps look like crap). Something so simple to do in W7 is no longer present? If choosing 125% (everything) size, text in all dialogs and many apps becomes totally blurred. Utter crap.

This is a clean install, and like I said none of these issues are present in W7.

So for me the choice is:

W7: Stable, 100% working hardware, a tad slower to startup.

W10: DX12, faster to startup, crashes, bugs, some deal-breaking.

Given that we are many months past release, I would not recommend Windows 10 at this time, unless you have brand new hardware. Frankly, I think W10 is a pile of ****. We're forced to use it to get DX12, but it has literally nothing I want that W7 didn't do better.

Apparently also W8 had some of these bugs, and they /never/ fixed them. So I'm not holding out much hope for W10. Microsoft's answer is probably to upgrade your hardware to something that's "designed for W10" instead.
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1. Are you running the latest bios for your mobo?
2. Are you running any overclocks? If so, revert to stock and see what happens. Doesn't matter if it was stable under win 7, it isn't now.

I had an issue with my cpu. Rock stable for 9 months under win 8.1, immediate BSOD's when I upgraded to Win 10.
 
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Not faced any of these issues, and I did an in-place upgrade install on a PC that's four years old with no updated Windows 10 (or Win8, for that matter) drivers available. Occasionally takes an oddly long time to shut down but it's never not actually turned off.
 
nightmare99 said:
Most users are not having those issues, I'm not saying there aren't bugs or problems but just because you are having a hard time of things does not mean everybody is. As suggested above I would suspect there is some sort of hardware / BIOS issue at play here.
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This, but let's just throw blame at w10 anyway
 
opethdisciple said:
1. Are you running the latest bios for your mobo?
2. Are you running any overclocks? If so, revert to stock and see what happens. Doesn't matter if it was stable under win 7, it isn't now.

I had an issue with my cpu. Rock stable for 9 months under win 8.1, immediate BSOD's when I upgraded to Win 10.
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Yup, latest BIOS. No overclocks on anything. I'm even running my 2500k at stock :p

llamadal said:
This, but let's just throw blame at w10 anyway
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Everything works fine in Win7. What should I blame, then? Myself?

These kinds of comments are so unreasonable. "It works for me (and my mates), therefore there are no problems."
 
TheVoice said:
Versus "It doesn't work for me therefore it's **** and broken"?
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You'd probably think the same if you were one of the people with critical problems.

Saying you have no problems is fine; being dismissive of other people's problems or pretending they don't exist is not.

And complaining if something doesn't work is fine too. For me, W10 is a complete pile, because it does not work... for me!
 
I had a load of issues when i upgraded to W10. I re-formatted and installed W10 from scratch and it's pretty darn excellent now.
 
Still running 7 on my main rig (and will do so until DX12 is a true requirement to move, or the free upgrade window comes to an end), but am pretty happy with 10 Pro on my new ultrabook.

That said, I only use it for DJ software, movies/tv on the go, and browsing.
 
It sounds more like a hardware problem than software. Assume you've installed all of your motherboard, etc. drivers and that they are the Windows 10 certified drivers and all of your hardware has Windows 10 support?

I've done the upgrade and fresh install on 8 different devices at the moment (4/4 split between PC's and laptops) and run it in a VM as well and not had any of the problems you experience. I regularly let my PC go into sleep mode as well.

I have to increase my screen zoom to 125% due to the size of the monitor and the distance I sit from it and Steam doesn't actually zoom on mine (which is annoying). But I put this down to the way Steam was designed and not Windows. It's not Microsofts fault that a third-party app isn't working in that way. I've had no USB drop outs what-so-ever using both USB2 and USB3 (I regularly plug in HD's / gamepads, etc.).

I'm not dismissing your issues but saying it's rubbish is massively off the mark. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work at all. I'd roll back any overclocks on GPU / Memory / CPU and rebuild it with all of the latest Windows 10 drivers.



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Hmm, was just gonna do a HD wipe and reinstall 10 last night then i thought i would give 7 a go since a few friends have gone back to it after never ending problems with 10.

Windows 7 is soooo good, everything just works. I know eventually everything will get sorted with windows 10 but for the moment im just gonna enjoy using 7 untill some more dx12 games are released.

Ill keep 10 on the laptop though running insider builds, and hopefully it will help with bug finding, driver optimization etc.
 
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