Wanting to learn piano..

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Wasn't sure this was the correct thread.

I've always been into my piano covers and wished since I was 20 (32 now) I could play. And lockdown, a change is needed in regards to using my time. So I felt why not. I know I'm not as well of as most in the forum.

But I'm looking for either a keyboard that could connect to my PC from which I could learn from. Or a decent value digital piano.

I was hoping if someone had any recommendations, and feedback regarding software if they've used that method of learning too.

Thank you
 
I bought a fairly cheap Yamaha Keyboard with the intention of learning to a very basic level --- the fact the keys are not weighted at all and that it's not "full size" (something like 65 keys) made it a bad choice... Can't help with learning, just don't make the same mistake I did.
 
I started learning at 25, I'm 2 and a half years in and I love it. Wished I started sooner.

I started off with a digital piano, an expensive Yamaha, it was fantastic. My teacher had a baby grand, and playing on that every week made me want an acoustic. Even though my Yamaha was great, I still wanted an acoustic. So I got one in December of last year and I love it, although it does mean I don't get to practice late at night or early in the morning. When I move to a bigger house I plan to get a keyboard so I can still play at night.

I would say the must haves are:
  • 88 keys
  • weighted action (heavier in the bass, lighter in the treble)
Now the next question is, do you intend to always play with headphones, or with speakers too? Most digital pianos sound their best through headphones, and don't sound so great out of their speakers especially the cheaper ones. A lot of the premium you pay on higher end digitals is for their speaker system. I had a Yamaha CLP-685, the speaker system was immense on those. It had bluetooth too, so you could actually use it as a bluetooth speaker playing music off your phone. But it's an awful lot of money for what it was.

The best thing I think you can do is get a Yamaha P-515 or Kawai ES8, they're expensive but have a fantastic action. You can then buy some studio monitors and plug them into the audio out. You'll then effectively have the sound system of the top of the line Clavinovas for a fraction of the cost.

And I'd also strongly echo the sentiment @Throbbing Thistle made, get a teacher. They're worth their weight in gold, especially if you're completely new to music, not just piano.

And I don't know if it's against the rules, but the Piano World Forums has a great digital piano section, you'd get a lot of good advice in there. Feel free to message me about anything, as an adult learner I might be able to pass on some good knowledge.



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Just thought I'd add, if you're going to go down the 'plugging into computer' route. You should look up VSTs. Basically all keyboards work via MIDI. And the simplest way to explain that is, each note of your keyboard has a number, lowest key: 0, highest key 88. And a velocity value, usually between 0-127. So if you whacked the lowest key as hard as you could, you would get: Key:0 Velocity:127, the highest key very gently you'd get: Key:88 Velocity:5 etc. It's a simplistic explanation but I hope you get what I mean. Also sorry if you already knew this :) thought I'd cover as many bases as possible.

There is a brain on your keyboard, that translates this MIDI into the piano sounds. A VST, is a piece of software that you download on your computer, and when you plug your keyboard into it. Instead of using the keyboards built in brain to create piano sounds. The VST will do it. Some of the VSTs are incredible and much better than what you get on most Yamaha/Kawaii/Roland digital pianos.

Garritan CFX is very good.
Pianoteq is popular but it always sounded really 'artificial' to me. This guy on youtube uses Pianoteq https://www.youtube.com/c/TheFlamingPiano/videos some people love it, to me it sounds really weird. The good thing is, it's got a free version.

There are tonnes more, again if you look on Piano World Forums you'll see.

Anyway, if you do decide to go down this route, then speakers are even less of a priority and you'll want a 'piano controller'. And the best one out at the moment is the Kawai VPC1. Again, it's very expensive but the action is pretty much the best you'll get out of a non-acoustic piano (or hybrid piano, but that's another kettle of fish and they're £££££).
 
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65 keys isn't a disaster for a beginner. It will see you through to grade4 easy enough. Grade 5 starts to need a bit more bass here and there. Rarely do you need all 8 octaves until you clear grade 5 by which point you'll have a good idea of where your interests lie and what to target for an upgrade. Weighted keys however, yes yes yes. Touch sensitive will do but if they offer proper weighted keys so much the better.

Also, push to learn what interests you. Obviously there'll be scales and exercises etc what I mean is don't let your teacher dictate what you learn. Say "I want to learn Chopin", or Gershwin, or Bach etc. Go in there with what you like and where you want to get to. I had lessons for years and got nowhere. A large part of that I now realise was my teacher liked avant garde dissonance and I just really like Gershwin, swing and things like Sibellius that actually have a melody. The other part was grumpy neighbours who didn't appreciate a crap player plonking through the wall. I wish I'd had the nouse to ask for a keyboard and headphones. Still, I passed grade 3 at least...
 
Good evening guys.

Thank you for the reply. Initially I bought a cheapo keyboard but I have since asked Amazon to cancel it. In terms of recommendations, one piano above is £1500... which is beyond, absolute beyond my financial power for now haha.

The one with the best reviews I've read, and watched on youtube was THIS So I'd like peoples thoughts on that.

I'll be using software like SimplePiano and once I have my barings, move onto a tutor, my partners sister and mum are highly graded and have a Full proper piano in their dining room, and they'd be happy to help.

I can't read music, but I know my CDE etc so the bare basics.

Weighted and 88 key seem the best starting advice. But that Yamaha p515 is beyond what I can afford for now!
 
They are very expensive. Sorry you didn't give any budget. My brother started off with a similarly priced Casio and it was good enough for starting out on. If you stick at it though and get a teacher, there will come a point where a keyboard like that will hold you back. Also keep an eye on gumtree/facebook marketplace for second hand ones.

Best of luck.
 
65 keys isn't a disaster for a beginner. It will see you through to grade4 easy enough. Grade 5 starts to need a bit more bass here and there. Rarely do you need all 8 octaves until you clear grade 5 by which point you'll have a good idea of where your interests lie and what to target for an upgrade. Weighted keys however, yes yes yes. Touch sensitive will do but if they offer proper weighted keys so much the better.

Also, push to learn what interests you. Obviously there'll be scales and exercises etc what I mean is don't let your teacher dictate what you learn. Say "I want to learn Chopin", or Gershwin, or Bach etc. Go in there with what you like and where you want to get to. I had lessons for years and got nowhere. A large part of that I now realise was my teacher liked avant garde dissonance and I just really like Gershwin, swing and things like Sibellius that actually have a melody. The other part was grumpy neighbours who didn't appreciate a crap player plonking through the wall. I wish I'd had the nouse to ask for a keyboard and headphones. Still, I passed grade 3 at least...
Great advice in here. I think when people learn as kids, they have to do what they're told, because they're kids and the teacher said so. As an adult you can do what you want. If I was forced to play Bach all the time it'd do my head in. I pick the pieces I want to learn and you should too. So tell your teacher what you like and let them suggest pieces similar to that for you.

I would say though, I wasn't into classical music much before I learned piano, but now I've started to learn piano, you appreciate it a whole lot more. And my tastes of what I liked when I started have really evolved and changed.
 
Looking back I should have said my budget considering some budget digital pains can technically cost around 500... Madness for now!

In terms of what music I'd wanna learn, it'll be mainly game music like final fantasy, zelda and general RPG music to be honest, moving maybe more soul, jazz, blues covers.

Chords I know I suck at, my right hand can play guitar hero expert with only 3 fingers(my little finger just doesn't wanna play, maybe train/strengthen that) so I'd hope speed and spread would help. But my left hand might aswell be that butlers from scary movie 2.

I have a decent set up in terms of pc, access to a tablet and as of today, installed some nice studio monitor speakers (again probably on the budget side in the grand scheme of things)

But if anyone can suggest a digital keyboard between 150-220 please do. Obviously must be able to link with a computer so I can play along with music sheets for example.
 
I looked up the one my brother used, it was a Casio CDP 130, looks like they're about £270, but that doesn't include a pedal or stand. You won't need a stand if you're gonna plonk it on your desk. I know that will do everything you want it to do.

I have no first hand experience with that Alesis, it says it has a USB out. As long as it can do MIDI over USB that's all you need.
 
Looking further into the ad, it does do USB MIDI so that's what you need to hook it up to your computer. Don't know what it means by 'semi-weighted keys' they either are or they aren't :/

But similarly to the Casio CDP 130 that my brother had I don't think that Amazon link comes with a pedal or a stand, so you'd need to get one of those too.

Keep an eye on ebay/gumtree/facebook market place for used ones.
 
I can't see exactly which model it is, but this looks like a bit of a bargain @xraycat87
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1824918234312732/

That is a bargain. I'm so far away from it though that things like this rarely pop up. Infact locally there's more grand pianos for sale then cheap keyboards.

I assume usb mini means my computer would pick up on it as a source and various software, which I'm yet to fully discover which is best, would then guide me through stages?

Edit : I should add this will be going on my loft where I've made an office. Height of the loft is 5ft and I'm taller then that so would sit the piano on my desk.

So size restrictions, along with weight, are why I'm going the digital piano route for now.
 
Ah sorry, I put in Doncaster +10km, I guess Facebook Marketplace isn't the best. Keep an eye out, there are good deals to be had.

Lol WTF just realised it's in Kent, how does Facebook determine that Kent is within 10 miles of Doncaster :P Sorry.
 
Ah sorry, I put in Doncaster +10km, I guess Facebook Marketplace isn't the best. Keep an eye out, there are good deals to be had.

Lol WTF just realised it's in Kent, how does Facebook determine that Kent is within 10 miles of Doncaster :p Sorry.
I know right haha
That's why I'm going the amazon route, or somewhere that delivers. I work in Doncaster but I'm 25miles away in a little village, so by the time I factor time, fuel etc it's probably easier buying new with a warranty.

I am strongly leaning towards that one I linked. Trying to source that Casio.
 
How do you guys connect your digital piano to a PC? I mean most people have their PC set up on a regular desk, a regular home office desk. A 88 key piano is not small and on a desk the height is all wrong.

Without getting a new desk with the correct height or a pull out tray for the keyboard, how do you accommodate it?
 
The one with the best reviews I've read, and watched on youtube was THIS So I'd like peoples thoughts on that.

I got that model for the wife's birthday present - she really likes it. Keys are only semi-weighted I think, but it feels close enough to a real one that it doesn't matter to her. Sound is OK through the speakers, but really good through headphones (and blissfully quiet for those of us trying to watch telly at the same time :D). It doesn't have loads of bells and whistles, but you can split the keyboard for tutoring, and you can layer sounds. I got her a foldable stand as well, the whole thing tucks under the sofa when she's not using it.

Seems pretty decent for the money. If you want to get a proper piano feel (full size keyboard and fully weighted keys) you'd need to get up to the £500 mark, which was a bit rich for my blood.
 
How do you guys connect your digital piano to a PC? I mean most people have their PC set up on a regular desk, a regular home office desk. A 88 key piano is not small and on a desk the height is all wrong.

Without getting a new desk with the correct height or a pull out tray for the keyboard, how do you accommodate it?
mine is on a stand to the side with leads going to an interface. It is a good 20-30cm higher than the desk.
 
Is it really naff/silly to learn with an iPad/YouTube? Dabbled learning a couple of times over the decades and now we have a slightly busted but working piano in our rented house (furnished was a loose term with this place) collecting dust.
 
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