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[rotters]

I know there is a book thread and a painting thread, but I didnt want to trash those with army builder list discussions.


I play mainly Space Marines and Black Templar Space Marines.

Playing a list this week against a friend who plays Imperial Guard but always full mechanical army....

so here is my list what do you think?

2000 Pts - Codex: Space Marines

Name # Grp WS BS S T Wo I A Ld Save Cost
HQ: Master of the Forge (2 , 130 pts)
Master of the Forge 1 4 5 4 4 2 4 2 10 2+ 130
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Conversion Beamer;
Add Servitor Unit; And They Shall Know No Fear; Blessing of the Omnissiah; Bolster
Defenses; Combat Tactics; Independent Character
Servitor Unit 1 3 3 3 3 1 3 1+1 8 4+ [10]
(C:SM, pg. 72 & 138); Unit Type: Infantry; Mindlock; Servo Arm


Elite: Legion of the Damned Squad (5 , 225 pts)
Legion of the Damned Squad 4 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 10 3+ 225
(C:SM, pg. 95 & 138); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol
(x4); Bolter (x2); Meltagun; Multi-melta; Aid Unlooked For; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful;
Unyielding Spectres
Sergeant 1 5 4 4 4 1 4 2 10 3+ [55]
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Combi-Meltagun (x2); Aid Unlooked
For; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful; Unyielding Spectres


Elite: Ironclad Dreadnought (2 , 220 pts)
Ironclad Dreadnought 1 Grp: WS: 4 BS: 4 St: 6/10 In: 4 At: 2/3 FA: 13 SA: 13 RA: 10 220
(C:SM, pg. 65 & 137); Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke
Launchers; Hunter-Killer Missile(s) (x2); Ironclad Assault Launchers; Dreadnought CCW;
Seismic Hammer; Heavy Flamer; Heavy Flamer; Move Through Cover; Drop Pod
Drop Pod 1 Grp: BS: 4 FA: 12 SA: 12 RA: 12 [35]
Unit Type: Vehicle (Open-topped); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Storm Bolter; Drop
Pod Assault; Immobile; Inertial Guidance System


Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (6 , 460 pts)
Terminator Assault Squad 4 4 4 4/8 4 1 4/1 2 9 2+/3(i) 460
(C:SM, pg. 64 & 136); Unit Type: Infantry; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield (x4); And
They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Land Raider
Sergeant 1 4 4 4/8 4 1 4/1 2 9 2+/3(i) [40]
Unit Type: Infantry; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield (x1); And They Shall Know No
Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics
Land Raider 1 Grp: BS: 4 FA: 14 SA: 14 RA: 14 [260]
(C:SM, pg. 81 & 142); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 12 models;
Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Multi-melta; 2x Twin Linked Lascannons;
Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter; Assault Vehicle; Power of the Machine Spirit


Troops: Tactical Squad (6 , 130 pts)
Tactical Squad 4 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 8 3+ 130
(C:SM, pg. 59 & 134); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x4); And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat
Tactics; Rhino
Sergeant 1 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+ [28]
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; And
They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics
Rhino 1 Grp: BS: 4 FA: 11 SA: 11 RA: 10 [35]
Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points:
1; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter; Repair


Troops: Tactical Squad (6 , 130 pts)
Tactical Squad 4 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 8 3+ 130
(C:SM, pg. 59 & 134); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x4); And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat
Tactics; Rhino
Sergeant 1 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+ [28]
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; And
They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics
Rhino 1 Grp: BS: 4 FA: 11 SA: 11 RA: 10 [35]
Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points:
1; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter; Repair
Name # Grp WS BS S T Wo I A Ld Save Cost


Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1 , 70 pts)
Land Speeder Squadron 1 Grp: BS: 4 FA: 10 SA: 10 RA: 10 70
(C:SM, pg. 74 & 139); Unit Type: Vehicle (Skimmer, Fast); Heavy Flamer (x1); Multimelta
(x1); Deep Strike
Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (5 , 190 pts)
Devastator Squad 4 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 8 3+ 190
(C:SM, pg. 61 & 142); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Bolt Pistol (x4); Lascannon (x2); Missile Launcher (x2); And They Shall Know No Fear;
Combat Squads; Combat Tactics
Sergeant 1 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+ [23]
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Signum; Bolt Pistol;
Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics


Heavy Support: Predator (2 , 235 pts)
Predator 1 Grp: BS: 5 FA: 13 SA: 11 RA: 10 235
(C:SM, pg. 78 & 143); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-
Linked Lascannon; Lascannon (each side); Brother-Sergeant Chronus
Brother-Sergeant Chronus 1 4 5 4 4 1 4 2+1 9 3+ [70]
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Tank
Commander; Servo Arm


Heavy Support: Thunderfire Cannon (1 , 100 pts)
Thunderfire Cannon 1 100
(C:SM, pg. 73 & 142); Unit Type: Artillery; Thunderfire Cannon
Techmarine Gunner 1 4 4 4 4 1 4 1+2 8 2+ [0]
(C:SM, pg. 73 & 142); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Artificer
Armour; Bolt Pistol; Thunderfire Cannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Blessing of the
Omnissiah; Bolster Defenses; Combat Tactics; Independent Character; Servo Harness


Troops: Scout Squad (5 , 110 pts)
Scout Squad 4 3 3 4 4 1 4 1 8 4+ 110
(C:SM, pg. 66 & 134); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour;
Camo Cloaks; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x4); And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat
Squads; Combat Tactics; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Scouts
Sergeant 1 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 4+ [33]
Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Camo Cloaks; Melta
Bombs; Teleport Homer; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat
Squads; Combat Tactics; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Scouts
Total Cost: 2000


sorry for the wall of text. If a mod thinks this would do better in the other thread please merge.



rotters

 

[Werewolf]

I think it makes a certain level of sense to have one thread for painting, and another for army lists

I haven't actually played any W40K for about 6 month
I tend to play it only a couple of weekends a year.

 

[dante6491]

Perhaps another subforum under Games named Wargames or Boardgames?

I used to have about 4k points of Chaos Space Marines old rules so I think second or third edition of their codex It was great 46 models totalling 4k points. The terminators were weighing in at 150points a pop.

 

[rotters]

thanks Werewolf...anyone got any tips against mechanised IG?



rotters

 

[neil3k]

lots of lascannons

 

[Freelanc3r]

Just got back from warhammer world yesterday

I play orks personally and find power klaws very useful against IG tanks, especially since orks BS is so terrible. So power weapons might be a good idea, especially on fast moving units like assault marines.

 

[Werewolf]

One of the things to remember with imp guard (and to a lesser extent marine) armour is that it's almost all got AR10 or less at the rear.

If you've got cheap mobile units with STR5+ weapons they can prove an annoyance and harass expensive armoured units (Gun drones for tau don't look like much of a threat compared to the fusion Piranha they dropped from a turn before, but if you forget their guns are STR5 they can give a nasty surprise).

That in addition to Krak and Lascannon

With Daemons, I found that Flamers (template, auto hit, str 5) are quite handy against imp guard mechanised battalions, especially if they've bunched up (multiple auto hits across multiple targets tends to mean something is going to go boom), they're also quite handy against bunkers.

 

[Freelanc3r]

One of the things to remember with imp guard (and to a lesser extent marine) armour is that it's almost all got AR10 or less at the rear.

Very good advice. Also remember that if the vehicle didn't move that turn, all melee attacks automatically hit on the rear armour. It's sweet charging a nob with PK into a vehicle, 4 str9 hits on armour 10

Also can someone clarify this for me, is the rending special rule that if you role a 6 to wound, it ignores armour saves? I havn't got a rulebook to hand atm, just wanted to check if I was correct.

 

[mangobreeder]

just a observation, don't GW get peeved about posting stats and point values?

 

[Xinn]

Need to get my Tau army finished and start playing again, not had much chance since moving house. Also give new Codex!

just a observation, don't GW get peeved about posting stats and point values?

Seems so, just Googled to find the answer to the question above regarding rending and the site simply said "The answer is in the rulebook but we can't publish it here due to copyright"

 

[Freelanc3r]

Need to get my Tau army finished and start playing again, not had much chance since moving house. Also give new Codex!



Seems so, just Googled to find the answer to the question above regarding rending and the site simply said "The answer is in the rulebook but we can't publish it here due to copyright"

Yeah i got that result too.

Shame for them that it's easy to get hold of a PDF version of most codexes if you know where to look probably the same for the rulebook too.

 

[Xinn]

Yeah i got that result too.

Shame for them that it's easy to get hold of a PDF version of most codexes if you know where to look probably the same for the rulebook too.

I thought exactly the same. Infact I might have to aquire a PDF version and stick it on the tablet for times like these, saves hogging the book around

 

[Arcimbaldo]

I played in a 6000 point ish game on sunday, i was with eldar and tau against grey knights and vnailla marines, here is my necron list.

HQ
Deceiver

Troops
50 warriors, 2x20, 1 x10

Fast attack
Scarabs x 13 1x7 1x6
Destroyers x 5

Heavy support
Monolith x 2

List worked extremely well, 50 warriors advanced up the middle with the deceiver hiding half behind a monolith. I was hit by 3 of those ordanance s10ap1 templates, about 75% of the downed warriors got back up, then proceeded to virtually wipe out the three tanks (vanquishers?). It is incredibly hard to kill 50 warriors in one round, and even if you kill 49, they can all still get a wwbb roll as they will be in 6" of each other and a res orb, thats 50% back up, then portal both sqauds of 20 through a monolith, meaning 75% will get back up.
We won the game eventually but i urge anyone who plays necrons to try the list out its great fu

 

[Freelanc3r]

I thought exactly the same. Infact I might have to aquire a PDF version and stick it on the tablet for times like these, saves hogging the book around

I was thinking the exact same thing
Be awesome to put some army lists on my tablet too, saves having scraggly paper around.

 

[Xinn]

I was thinking the exact same thing
Be awesome to put some army lists on my tablet too, saves having scraggly paper around.

Check out Battlescribe Mobile if you have an Android tablet, seems to be a well rated app to compile army lists on the go. Could be worth a pop.