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Warning AMD Ryzen Users Microsoft Installing Update Automatically That Bricks Your PC

Ah, fair does. I’m not one for Insider Preview updates but 20H2 has been stable as a rock for me.

Had a minor issue with Fast Startup and my 3090FE, but other than that no problems at all.
 
But then if everyone waits?

Yeah basically their update implementation and approach is pants on head - I have no idea whether they intentionally find it amusing or can't see how poor it is or just don't care.



Until recently anything newer than 1909 was still blocked on some devices (due to various issues like incompatible audio drivers for some chipsets, etc.) - I was only able to update some of my machines to 20H2 within the last few weeks or so - what was annoying more recently sometimes they'd randomly try and update and then after messing about revert to 1909.

Ever get the feeling Microsoft is crap at their job? It never ends with these mistakes.
 
If it's one thing that really cheeses me off is how Microsoft decides what drivers I need. Ehm, nope! Get out of here.
 
There is more to it than just that - they've abandoned a lot of conventional wisdom, which even by Windows 3.xx was well recognised. I'm all for revisiting why things are best done a certain way as sometimes the reasons are outdated or a new better way can be found, etc. but that isn't the case here - they aren't (re)learning why things are best not done a certain way, etc. and repeating the mistakes.

The development is increasingly narrow minded and lacking a broader perspective and driven by inexperience and blind ideals over what is actually needed to produce the best experience for the end user with an unwillingness to adapt, change or learn.

I bet rather than improve the update implementation we get another reluctant, half-arsed, klutz feature to try and patch over some of the problem rather than fix the underlying problems with it.
 
Microsoft's update and testing process has been FUBAR for years and more or less frequent major problems are only possible outcome from it.

Microsoft literally fired most of their own testers years ago:
https://www.theregister.com/2018/10/23/microsoft_windows_10_crisis/

That's proven well hasn't it. :cry:

In 2014 Microsoft decided it could do a better job if it discarded a lot of software testers. This bright new dawn was lauded at the time by Peter Bright at Ars Technica in a piece titled "How Microsoft dragged its development practices into the 21st century". Testers were soooo 20th century.


Now it makes so much sense now. Of why it feels like interns.

"The goal is to make the OS team work more like lean startups," we learned. Lean. Agile.



I'd still agree to that today.

Windows 10 is officially a **** show.
 
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That's proven well hasn't it. :cry:


Now it makes so much sense now. Of why it feels like interns.
Yep, nowadays we users aren't anymore beta testers, but now we're also alpha testers.
MS literally knew about that one update being able to delete user's datas in certain circumstances, but yet pushed update out!
That tells all what's needed about their management's arrogance, which should be pummeled out from their heads.
Just imagine if car manufacturer's service center added similar faults into car in some schedule maintenance...
There would be hell to pay and nothing less than immediate firing/resigning of all management in charge of that area would be accepted!
Again modern sheeples just jam their heads deeper into arse of MS.

That same total retarded arrogance shows also in trashing PC OS GUI to complete garbage adventure game.
Which doesn't even make sense in phones:
GUI should make it always clear what's button, what's some background graphics and what's some text!
That soon 30 years old Windows 3.1 has these fashion BS garbages by the balls in consistency of UI.


I used to swear at Gates, but now I miss him.
At least during his time in Microsoft's helm Windows was developed for PCs.
 
Any of you more savvy folk ever tempted to run an LTSC version of W10?

Yes both at work and on a PC at home.

Personally it seems slightly faster/cleaner, but not much real difference. Update settings still aren't much better, but at least there's no risk of a feature update at a random time during the 24hours constant operation some of our work pcs endure.
 
If it's one thing that really cheeses me off is how Microsoft decides what drivers I need. Ehm, nope! Get out of here.
Most users will need that kind of thing handled for them. Like, 99% of users.

The people who would/could/should manually install drivers are the 1% :p

Like it or not, PCs have become a commodity like phones. Do most people understand their phone's internals? I don't think so.

Taking it out of the hands of users is, imho, the right approach. They just need to make sure that their processes have sufficient checks and balances to ensure a successful outcome.

Don't forget, the future is more and more automated. And so it should be. Do you *want* to be faffing around with drivers? It's just busy work. The system should take care of it for you. And get it right, obviously!
 
Don't forget, the future is more and more automated. And so it should be. Do you *want* to be faffing around with drivers? It's just busy work. The system should take care of it for you. And get it right, obviously!

It's not busy work for me and it's irritating what Microsoft thinks. Which has proven they never get anything right, mostly these days. Putting out stuff not tested then pulling it. I have no trust in Microsoft anymore.

What's busy work is Microsoft botching things up having me to correct their failures on my systems. Hence it gets disabled.

Even seen Microsoft put drivers on Windows update for 10 getting rolled out and then installed that were older than the ones I installed myself. That's so bad.
 
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Any of you more savvy folk ever tempted to run an LTSC version of W10?

I ran LTSB and LTSC for a while, but ended up back on plain Enterprise currently. The LTS* series are, as @Armageus says, a bit leaner and cleaner. They don't have the MS Store, and hence none of the bundled crapware (Candy Crush, 3D stuff, XBox stuff). They also don't have the Photo Viewer and other little QoL things that you'd get in other SKUs, but that's easily fixed. At least with Enterprise and LTS* you can fully disable telemetry, for Windows itself as well as Edge and other MS apps.
 
Not really, I’m not even sure how you would get a LTSC copy legitimately unless you worked for a company with the correct Enterprise licensing? I’ve been fortunate with updates and never really had a problem with them.

Yes both at work and on a PC at home.

Personally it seems slightly faster/cleaner, but not much real difference. Update settings still aren't much better, but at least there's no risk of a feature update at a random time during the 24hours constant operation some of our work pcs endure.

I ran LTSB and LTSC for a while, but ended up back on plain Enterprise currently. The LTS* series are, as @Armageus says, a bit leaner and cleaner. They don't have the MS Store, and hence none of the bundled crapware (Candy Crush, 3D stuff, XBox stuff). They also don't have the Photo Viewer and other little QoL things that you'd get in other SKUs, but that's easily fixed. At least with Enterprise and LTS* you can fully disable telemetry, for Windows itself as well as Edge and other MS apps.

Thanks chaps. Was just curious.
 
I very recently updated to 20H2 from 1909 after much pestering, but thankfully system boots fine. Aorus Elite x570 and 3700x. I'm also using their most stable BIOS before all the betas for the 5000s. I may get a 5800x or higher next year if the prices fall. I hope the bios' and drivers have matured by then.
 
Is it safe to update now? Running a Giga Arorus mobo here.

Oh, and...
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Every single time I try and paste a chart from one MS Office product to another, and get a mishmash of clown colours I think this. And it happens every single time.
They're just your typical (very) large company with a bazillion products. Some of which are great, some aren't, some could be great if not for that one feature that punches you in the balls every 5 minutes, that somebody thought would really improve the product...

They go in cycles of doing something good one year, getting praised for it, then all the managers doing a ton of crack and subsequently releasing Windows 8.

Sometimes they listen to their user base and sometimes they just decide they know best. Isn't it the story of all similar companies? Google, etc.

One of my personal bugbears is OneNote. OneNote 2016 is/was lovely. OneNote The App is a sack of crap in comparison. You can guess which one is deprecated/discontinued. Yeah, the good one. OneNote The App has a wonderful bug where it randomly resets your font/size/weight to the default, when you start a new line. Just coz. It's a bug that's been in for years. They know about it. When will it get fixed? Probably never! Did 2016 have that bug? Nope!
 
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