Warranty on used car parts?

SB118 · 1 Mar 2012 at 17:30

Does the SOGA apply to used car parts bought from a breakers yard? Was thinking about the "we give 30 day warranty" blag that used car dealers try.

Just trying to find out how protected i am before i spaff 350 quid on a fuel pump for the zafira.

SB118 · 2 Mar 2012 at 07:56

Nobody else knows either then? Bum.

[TW]Fox · 2 Mar 2012 at 08:11

Surely a used one from a similar aged Zafira is just as likely to conk out on you soon as your original was?

Howard · 2 Mar 2012 at 08:13

£350 for a second hand fuel pump?!

I don't think it'd apply in the traditional 'not fit for purpose' sense but you may have some recourse if it fails a number of months down the line. It's a risk you choose to take.

SB118 · 2 Mar 2012 at 10:25

[TW]Fox;21383011 said:
Surely a used one from a similar aged Zafira is just as likely to conk out on you soon as your original was?

While i was looking for a replacement i saw plenty of adverts for for various vauxhall cars "needs fuel pump", "fuel pump faulty", etc. The pump in these is a known weak spot.

There's no hard and fast rule to when they fail, some do, some don't.

Refurb exchange pumps start around 600, which is why fuel pump failure is what writes a few of these engines off.

Depressingly if ours had a different pump code (a "003" for example) there are plenty of pumps around, some as low as £70 + post. But ours is a "011" which as somewhat rare (for some unknown reason) and even giving the details to 247spares i got one result.

IAmATeaf · 2 Mar 2012 at 10:37

I personally don't think you'd get anywhere with a breaker who sells second hand parts if the part failed outside of the 1 month period.

I know the breaker is a business but I personally wouldn't take the risk on such a high value item and the maybe associated arse-ache should the part fail

SB118 · 2 Mar 2012 at 10:55

The other way of looking at it is i could buy 3-4 pumps at this price before i could afford to replace the car.

IAmATeaf · 2 Mar 2012 at 11:31

SB118 said:
The other way of looking at it is i could buy 3-4 pumps at this price before i could afford to replace the car.

In that case go for it, also with breakers I found that some will participate in bartering so try playing one off another.

SB118 · 2 Mar 2012 at 11:40

Called a lot of breakers, been all over ebay and gumtree and this is the only "011" pump i can find for under 500

Disco Boy · 2 Mar 2012 at 11:59

IAmATeaf said:
In that case go for it, also with breakers I found that some will participate in bartering so try playing one off another.

Yeah... definitely barter... off him some beans in exchange for his cow...

IAmATeaf · 2 Mar 2012 at 13:46

Disco Boy said:
Yeah... definitely barter... off him some beans in exchange for his cow...

Only if the breakers is up north, for the south it'd have to be hard cash and women...

red eye · 3 Mar 2012 at 14:50

SB118 said:
Does the SOGA apply to used car parts bought from a breakers yard? Was thinking about the "we give 30 day warranty" blag that used car dealers try.

Just trying to find out how protected i am before i spaff 350 quid on a fuel pump for the zafira.

sold as seen if you took it off as you should check the condition before wasting your time, if they remove parts to stock then if it dont work after fitting then bring it back, of course this is at my local so it might be different at other yards. oh and haggle hard

red eye · 3 Mar 2012 at 14:55

SB118 said:
While i was looking for a replacement i saw plenty of adverts for for various vauxhall cars "needs fuel pump", "fuel pump faulty", etc. The pump in these is a known weak spot.

There's no hard and fast rule to when they fail, some do, some don't.

Refurb exchange pumps start around 600, which is why fuel pump failure is what writes a few of these engines off.

Depressingly if ours had a different pump code (a "003" for example) there are plenty of pumps around, some as low as £70 + post. But ours is a "011" which as somewhat rare (for some unknown reason) and even giving the details to 247spares i got one result.

I see one for £100 and it will last a lot longer then ome pumppumps

SB118 · 3 Mar 2012 at 15:25

red eye said:
sold as seen if you took it off as you should check the condition before wasting your time, if they remove parts to stock then if it dont work after fitting then bring it back, of course this is at my local so it might be different at other yards. oh and haggle hard

There aren't any locally, so i'm having to buy sight unseen online. Difficult to haggle when there is only one supplier with one pump, if i don't take it, somebody else will.

red eye said:
I see one for £100 and it will last a lot longer then ome pumppumps

That would be great if i had a petrol engine, cheers though.

SB118 · 8 Mar 2012 at 19:58

Replacement pump arrived yesterday, fitted today, much easier job than the old XUD pumps.

Apart from the bolts that need undoing through the back pulley!

I'd like to find the man who designed the EGR system, and kick him in the nuts. A lot.

All cleaned up for refitting tomorrow.

Still got loads of this snot to clean out of the inlet yet

red eye · 9 Mar 2012 at 16:07

SB118 said:
Replacement pump arrived yesterday, fitted today, much easier job than the old XUD pumps.

Apart from the bolts that need undoing through the back pulley!

I'd like to find the man who designed the EGR system, and kick him in the nuts. A lot.

All cleaned up for refitting tomorrow.

Still got loads of this snot to clean out of the inlet yet

get rid of the egr and get a blanking plate made up

SB118 · 9 Mar 2012 at 17:43

Just need to block the vacuum feed to the egr.

Bloody odd behaviour today (the car, not me)

Pump in, inlet refitted, everything buttoned up, fuel lines filled with diesel, cranked till it bleed up to the back of the injectors.

Wouldn't fire. Threw a P1335 (Injection Pump: no engine speed input signal from control unit) for which the fix is usually the crank sensor, but this is a new one and i'm getting an engine speed reading in the op-com software, so the crank sensor is fine. Is the replacement pump duff?

Gave it a wiff of ether and it span over lovely and quick and sounded like it wanted to start (that spluttering surge you get as injectors fill with fuel and the cylinders start to fire) but it never quite took over from the starter motor and ran.

Thought it might need a serious kick so i got the wife to turn it over while i fed it ether, reved well (duh!) but stopped when the ether stopped

I fiddled with the jump leads for a minute and the wife turned it over and the bu99er started!

Reved & idled fine, no low spots, didn't splutter as the idle kicked in, ran fine. All the error codes cleared, none came back.

VERY faint ticking from the engine, think it was from the top end.

Ran for about 5 minutes then turned it off. Wouldn't restart, back to "trying" to start but not managing it. And the P1335 came back too.

The ticking had me thinking the timing could be out, but i've not sure how as none of the pulleys move when you've changin the pump, the crank doesn't move, the cam doesn't move and the pump has a timing pin in it to be sure it's lined up.

My man friday is going to have another go at it over the weekend with his timing kit, he hasn't brought any of his shiney toys with him for the last couple of days, but he is tomorrow (turns out the favour bank is useful after all!).

Much happier now i've heard it run for a bit though!

SB118 · 10 Mar 2012 at 17:54

It lives!

Timing was a nats fart out on the pump-crank pulley.

Still got a faint tap, but at least we're mobile again.

Need a new aux belt too, this one is covered in oil from the open pump pulley cover.