Warranty plus 4 weeks Arrrggghhhh

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My 40D has just started to give an Err99 on every attempt to take an image.

I have tried:

  • removing both batteries (main and cmos)
  • multiple canon lenses
  • Cleaning lens contacts
  • different CF card
  • update firmware to 1.1.1
Nothing worked :-(

Is there anything else I can try ?

This has happened 4 weeks after the 12 month warranty has run out :-(

Is the EC Directive 1994/44/EC any use to me here (an EU directive implying a 2 year warranty) ?

The sales of goods act seems to imply that although the item has failed within the period that it is reasonable to expect it to last for the onus is on me to prove that it was defective.
 
After some googling it appears as though the EC law should apply in this situation. I have just sent the following (supplier details removed):

On the 14th August 2008 I purchased a Canon EOS-40D serial number xxxxxxxxx from you.

On the 28/09/2009 (58 weeks after purchase) the camera developed a fault. Canon UK have advised that the camera will need to be returned to them for investigation and that this falls outside of the standard 12 month warranty offered by Canon.

My understanding is that under these conditions EU directive 1994/44/EC applies. I have attached a copy of the directive for your reference. This applies a 2 year guarantee to all consumer goods sold in the EU (see paragraph (17) ). However, the relevant articles are paraphrased below:

Article 3
Rights of the consumer

1. The seller shall be liable to the consumer for any lack of conformity which exists at the time the goods were delivered.

2. In the case of a lack of conformity, the consumer shall be entitled to have the goods brought into conformity free of charge by repair or replacement, in accordance with paragraph 3, or to have an appropriate reduction made in the price or the contract rescinded with regard to those goods, in accordance with paragraphs 5 and 6.

3. In the first place, the consumer may require the seller to repair the goods or he may require the seller to replace them, in either case free of charge, unless this is impossible or disproportionate.

Any repair or replacement shall be completed within a reasonable time and without any significant inconvenience to the consumer, taking account of the nature of the goods and the purpose for which the consumer required the goods.


Article 4
Right of redress

Where the final seller is liable to the consumer because of a lack of conformity resulting from an act or omission by the producer, a previous seller in the same chain of contracts or any other intermediary, the final seller shall be entitled to pursue remedies against the person or persons liable in the contractual chain. the person or persons liable against whom the final seller may pursue remedies, together with the relevant actions and conditions of exercise, shall be determined by national law.

The letter should be taken to form my notification of the non conformity relating to the EOS-40D camera.

I would therefore request that you arrange for a refund/repair/replacement to be authorised as soon as is practical under Article 3, Section 3.

I am writing to you as you are the ‘final seller’ is referenced in Article 4 below.
I look forward to your response,
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Spoke deirect to Canon in Elstree and they have offered to treat this as covered by warranty. So a big shout out to Canon for being decent about it all.

I'll keep you posted.
 
I must admit, if this all works out, it will be a nice change to see a company actually value customer good will.

I might even buy a 24-70 f2.8L to reward them :-)
 
  1. You continue to go on about the EU Directive, which is not applicable unless he bought the camera from a public body (ie vertical direct effect).
Can you explain what public body means and its relevance to the directive - you sound like you know far more about this and I'm curious.

@Hodders - I'm glad it's getting sorted out :)

So am I ! The idea of having to cough up for fitting a new shutter mechanism (my guess) is not pleasant when the camera is only just out of warranty and has only take 5000 images.
 
Just had an email from Canon - thay have the camera and the charge code is "Warranty (inland)" :D

So top marks to Canon....
 
Not yet - I've been checking the online status for the repair. They have received the 40D and the status in "repair in progress".

Hope it doesn't take too long as I have my daughters 4th party on the 17th Oct.

Anyway, we'll see.
 
You probably dont want to hear this but when i sent my canon away to get repaired it took fully 3 and a half weeks to get fixed and back to me after i was quoted the repair cost. I understand the problem with yours is slightly different though.

Puts fingers in ears - La la la can't hear you.

All I can do is wait - but at least it's not going to cost me anything. I just hope they don't say - "it worked fine when it got here" and send it back.

I spent about 2 hours trying batteries out, lens swaps, CF card swaps, firmware updates and it failed to take a single shot, so hopefully it is proper broken like.
 
Well it is repaired and being sent back. Thank you Canon !

Will they let me know what was wrong, or should I call to find out ?
 
Spoke to them this morning. Camera has been despatched by UPS to be back tomorrow. They have replaced the shutter/mirror mechanism and have given it a full service and checked all functionality.

I am seriously impressed by this as when it first went wrong I thought that there was no way I would get it repaired under any kind of warranty.

Can't wait to get it back !
 
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