was beckham even 'good'

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the more i think about it ive never seen anything really spectactular from this guy, i know you're all going to get on the free-kick bandwagon but every decentish player is capable of curling a ball into the back of a net division 1 players do it.

id bet my money everytime on dedicated strikers like henry, totti and van nistelrooy scoring more from set pieces than him.

he aint exceptionally skillful. he aint fast and pacy

does the fact that hes pretty and is married to posh spice make any rational reasoning in our brain get bypassed and we all think hes a "superstar"
 
He could ping a ball onto a 5 pence piece in his day dont forget that

Just ask Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Ole, RvN...............................

I wish we had him just to take our corners for the last 4 years
 
The most overrated English player to date. Fact.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. He is not a player you would call 'talented' or 'skilful' He has just worked his socks off to be average at best.
 
sam83uk said:
every decentish player is capable of curling a ball into the back of a net division 1 players do it.
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true, but not every time.

I think its because his on-target : off-target ratio was probably much higher than most other players
 
He never really beat his man but he could do enough to make half a yard and stick a ball exactly where he wanted it (usually on horse faces head). I was never a huge fan but his delivery was second to none.

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Yes he was. He was an average player that worked so hard to hit his peak he became so much more.

He had a massive impact on the most successful period a Premiership club has had.

He was never a winger, he was a right midfielder. You don't need pace or close control skill to do that job. You need to be accurate with your crosses, free kicks, short-range and long-range passing. All of which he was exceptional at.
 
He was immense. Always managed to get the ball out of his feet and do something with it even if he lacked pace. The main problem was his peak came way before his fame so he never looked so great to the wide world. His performances in the 99 midfield with Giggs, Keane and Scholes were inspirational.
 

He scored a bucket load of goals, and then all those he set up, I'm no Beckham fan but he produced some great football.
 
sam83uk said:
the more i think about it ive never seen anything really spectactular from this guy, i know you're all going to get on the free-kick bandwagon but every decentish player is capable of curling a ball into the back of a net division 1 players do it.
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His freekicks aren't the only side to his game (very consistent and better than div1 standard - much better than e.g. Roberto Carlos who needs 5 attempts to pull off a decent one). He's also very good at crossing and has a high workrate.

id bet my money everytime on dedicated strikers like henry, totti and van nistelrooy scoring more from set pieces than him.
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I'd take Beckham over RvN for a freekick any day of the week.

does the fact that hes pretty and is married to posh spice make any rational reasoning in our brain get bypassed and we all think hes a "superstar"
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Absolutely not - I picked him out as a potential star long before he was a household name, before 'that' goal against Wimbledon when Posh Spice wouldn't have even recognised his photo. First and foremost he's a good footballer, that's the cause of the superstar lifestyle not the effect, rather than the other way round.

Bottom line: To get 94 caps for England you have to be at least good. I've seen average players get 50 but not that many.
 
He was/is good at free kicks because his practice so much. He used to stay behind every training sessions to practice free kicks after everyone has gone home. His passing was good, and long range passing too, if you look back at some clips his passing. He could pass it 60 yards to a running player's feet. He crossing was consistant and even when under pressure he could get the ball pass the left back without beating him. That's his trait, he never had to beat the defender, his cross does that for him.
 
Yes in his day he was excellent.

Now though he is dropping off a bit, as does any player with age, its just because he was very good that everyone thinks he stinks now.
 
I really am not abeckham fan at all, but to say he is/was average is plain trash. He was world class at his peak, remember all the good stuff he did for England Greece anyone ????

Halfway line goal for man u anyone , easy to forget these small things.........
 
As a overall player I have never rated him much. But as someone who can ping a ball from one side of the pitch to the other he was great at his peak.
 
He was a long way from being a complete player, but at his best I can't think of a better crosser of the ball than him.
 
Gilly said:
Yes he was. He was an average player that worked so hard to hit his peak he became so much more.

He had a massive impact on the most successful period a Premiership club has had.

He was never a winger, he was a right midfielder. You don't need pace or close control skill to do that job. You need to be accurate with your crosses, free kicks, short-range and long-range passing. All of which he was exceptional at.
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I agree, he was a top quality midfielder for the above reasons, certainly in his Man U years anyway.

He probably wasn't truly world class, but his performance level wasn't far from world class for at least a couple of seasons at Utd.
sam83uk said:
i know you're all going to get on the free-kick bandwagon but every decentish player is capable of curling a ball into the back of a net division 1 players do it.
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That might be the most ridiculous comment in the whole thread.

Of course Div 1 players can do it, I've seen it many times in the sunday league never mind Div 1. The difference is that Beckham was highly accurate with a large proportion of his attempts. He also did it on the biggest stage under the most extreme pressure on more than one occasion.

The only player that comes close to Beckham for free kicks is Sinisa Mihailovic.

Watch this and then decide if he was a decent player or not. ;) (originally posted by cheats64 on the Beckham to leave Madrid in summer thread)

 
touch said:
true, but not every time.

I think its because his on-target : off-target ratio was probably much higher than most other players
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If someone can source some free kick to goal ratio stats for Beckham you will find he has one of the worst conversion ratios.
 
Gilly said:
Yes he was. He was an average player that worked so hard to hit his peak he became so much more.

He had a massive impact on the most successful period a Premiership club has had.

He was never a winger, he was a right midfielder. You don't need pace or close control skill to do that job. You need to be accurate with your crosses, free kicks, short-range and long-range passing. All of which he was exceptional at.
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Gilly has said just about everything I wanted to, except one thing I think should be added. Would one of the best managers the Premiership has seen have played him in his team, consistently, for so long if he was just average player who worked hard (as stated above, he became more) or a one-trick pony? The answer there, if it needs spelling out, is no.

Now don't make me come back and say it all again, cos I'm a Newcastle United supporter and it sticks in my craw to say nice things about anything Manchester United related, SAF in particular.
 
Looking at that vid you can't but think Fergie got rid of him at the perfect time, back thing everyone thought he was nuts. Beckham was 27 at his peak and was booted out the door, but saying that, when Beckham was good, he was world class. It'll be a while before someone can strike a ball as consistantly as he does, the only other person I can think of is Henry.
 
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