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There's no justifying get a slower CPU when you could get a faster one for the same amount of money...
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was going to upgrade but not now.
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After writing what I did I succumbed to temptation and somehow my wife did not notice the 3570k I bought and she assumed that the new Z77 motherboard was totally needed due to a catastrophe with my P35c system.
So basically I bought a Gigabyte D3H Z77 board and a 3570k. I already had 2x4GB Vengeance LP 1.35v sticks.
All is well and my "upgrade" itch has been satisfied for a while
What cpu did you upgrade from?
Has it improved your gaming at all? what gpu do you have?
I "upgraded" from a E8500 running at 4Ghz.
I have a GTX 460 running at 1680x1050.
I did have 4GB of DDR 2 memory. I now have 12GB of DDR 3.
Even though the 3570k is running at 4.4Ghz it has made absolutely no difference that I can tell with the games I have had chance to play, with a limited test...
Shogun II
Civ V (although I have not tried a late era game with the map revealed etc)
Skyrim
Medieval TW II
RTW.
However I have now gained an Intel SATA III controller and ports along with USB III ports on the motherboard. These I do find useful.
As I put in my 256GB Samsung 830 SATA III SSD at the same time, mainly for my home videos and photos, I do find that accessing those to be more responsive. But then again I would expect to as that is down to an SSD drive.
Windows seems just the same, but then again I had Windows 7x64 already installed on my M4, but with a SATA II controller.
I have not needed to do any work with any home videos as yet nor manipulate many images.
Writing the above it might read as though I'm a little disappointed but I didn't really expect anything more than I found, even with the 3570k running hotish...!!
I have a GTX 460 running at 1680x1050.
I did have 4GB of DDR 2 memory. I now have 12GB of DDR 3.
Even though the 3570k is running at 4.4Ghz it has made absolutely no difference that I can tell with the games I have had chance to play, with a limited test...
Shogun II
Civ V (although I have not tried a late era game with the map revealed etc)
Skyrim
Medieval TW II
RTW.
However I have now gained an Intel SATA III controller and ports along with USB III ports on the motherboard. These I do find useful.
As I put in my 256GB Samsung 830 SATA III SSD at the same time, mainly for my home videos and photos, I do find that accessing those to be more responsive. But then again I would expect to as that is down to an SSD drive.
Windows seems just the same, but then again I had Windows 7x64 already installed on my M4, but with a SATA II controller.
I have not needed to do any work with any home videos as yet nor manipulate many images.
Writing the above it might read as though I'm a little disappointed but I didn't really expect anything more than I found, even with the 3570k running hotish...!!
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No offense...but the upgrade is clearly wasted on you, if you fail to notice the difference between the E8500 at 4.0GHz and i5 3570K at 4.4GHz...particularly in a few games you mentioned...
Isn't he going to be bottlenecked by his monitor and the actual games though?
Im not sure he should be seeing a visible difference between a 4Ghz E8500 and a 4.4Ghz 3570K in those games at that res?
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Are you saying that I will notice a difference going form my current cpu to a 3570k, in games?
The only difference may be due to memory bandwidth, but my PII 955 @ 3.7GHz is far from slow, and is pretty comparable to a q9650. Gaming benchmarks show literally 10% difference in framerates between games and the higher end parts. That's the kind of difference that is sorted by turning the view distance down a bit or motion blur off. The fact is you cannot tell the difference between 120FPS and 110 FPS. Claiming you can probably means you had other issues unrelated to the processor.
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Ok yea I get that.
But games like: SC2, Witcher 2, Shogun 2 should see a big difference right?
But games like: SC2, Witcher 2, Shogun 2 should see a big difference right?
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For these 3 games yes.
SC2 don't really scale beyond 2 cores, and with lots of units on screen at the same time, it is the IPC/grunt of the CPU that counts the most. My old Q6600 at 3.6GHz would bottleneck my 5850 GPU usage down to something like 40% when there are huge number of units on screen.
Witches 2 I seen my friend's i3 2120 (around as fast as Core2Quad/Phenom II X4 at 3.8-4.0GHz on gaming) sometimes holding back his GTX560Ti 2GB overclocked to 950MHz in with Ultra settings (but with Ubersampling disabled) with frame rate was at around 50fps ish but GPU usage was only at around 80%.
For Shogun 2, you can always lower graphic settings to improve frame rate if the bottleneck is on graphic side, but not much you can do if the limitation is on CPU side...here's some CPU performance comparison for Shogun 2:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-core-i5-3570k-cpu-review/6
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I'm not sure it is wasted per se, but I do take your point. Remember I was asked to give my opinion on game playing. Also I only quickly tried those games and not played any one extensively enough, I do hope to see some improvements with Civ V, although I will wait to play that until my copy of the expansion has arrived, when released. I am now hoping that I no longer need to use the strategic view and zoom right in when taking my turn in the late stage era on huge revealed maps.
As I have hardly ever benchmarked, especially a game, I only ever have what I see to measure by. And I have not seen any differences. The biggest real differences for me has been the change from a mechanical drive to a SSD one.
My main PC ran at 8x500 with 4GB of 1000mhz DDR2 memory and I was quite surprised at how well it performed at the resolution I ran it when I played those games.
I am also hoping that the home video work I do, mainly small edits but with some music tracks, transitions and titles, will also be improved when being made.
If you go over to the TW Center and take a look in the tech support forum for Shogun 2 you will read that there are many people disappointed on how poorly the game has scaled in performance with their "upgraded" machine. The other TW games I mentioned, I know they are older but they, for me, are much more fun to play, ran superb on my E8500. I do not play the other games you noted.
I noted that I'm not disappointed with my "upgrade" but I it is what it is, nothing "night and day" in difference to what I had in the aspect of the games I have tried so far. I do like the native USB support and I like my front USB 3 ports now being used on my Coolmaster 690 case.
As I plan to let my Son have the old E500 CPU, board and memory (if he wants it) I'm sure he will be happy with that.
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After writing what I did I succumbed to temptation and somehow my wife did not notice the 3570k I bought and she assumed that the new Z77 motherboard was totally needed due to a catastrophe with my P35c system.
So basically I bought a Gigabyte D3H Z77 board and a 3570k. I already had 2x4GB Vengeance LP 1.35v sticks.
All is well and my "upgrade" itch has been satisfied for a while
was it worth it then would you say?
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If you have read my posts in this thread you might think I would have said "No". But for me then "Yes" it has been worth it...
But it was an informed choice with expectations that were realistic considering that where I was coming from ran the games I noted without issues, except for late game slowdowns when playing Civ V on the larger maps in the late era.
However since I posted what I did I have now loaded a saved game from MTW II Kingdoms that was done much later in an ongoing campaign which I gave up on. Whilst the game seemed to play with no real difference it was when I ended the turn on the campaign map did I then notice how quick it was to play the AI turns. That was pleasing as I often lose continuity of thought in that type of game when I have to wait for the AI in the later stages of game-play.
I already had the two sticks of Corsair LP 1.35v memory giving me 8GB and then I remembered I bought from here 2 sticks of OCZ (4GB in total) 1.35v DDR 3 12800 memory on a clearance offer and so I added that giving me 12GB in total.
So I bought one of the cheapest Gigabyte Z77 boards the DH3 (£80) but NOT the cheaper (£70) DS3H as it is more configurable and gives me all the expansion I need. This is based on getting no bells and whistles I would not need and the socket, imo, is at the end of its development cycle in terms of new CPU's - Haswell out in around 12 months or so.
Then I bought the 3570k on a special type of deal.
So this "upgrade" cost me £260 and if my Son does not want my P35c DS3r, E8500, 2x4GB DDR 2 OCZ memory, I can sell that to make a bit of cash back.
I love the native USB 3 (19 pin internal connector) for my Coolmaster 690 case. I like having SATA III.
I am sure that the change will allow me to render my home videos much quicker and who knows when my Liquid Pro Liquid Metal has arrived, been despatched from here already, I might build up courage to flip the lid on the CPU to cool it a little more.
Then (for me) there is the less tangible but most important factor to consider "the feel good factor" - my main PC is very important to me (my wife keeps to her laptop and tablet) and what I have just paid (£260) will be recouped ten fold with the enjoyment and pleasure the system continues to provide.
Bottom line...
I had the spare cash.
I made an informed purchase.
I'm more than happy with what I got
But it was an informed choice with expectations that were realistic considering that where I was coming from ran the games I noted without issues, except for late game slowdowns when playing Civ V on the larger maps in the late era.
However since I posted what I did I have now loaded a saved game from MTW II Kingdoms that was done much later in an ongoing campaign which I gave up on. Whilst the game seemed to play with no real difference it was when I ended the turn on the campaign map did I then notice how quick it was to play the AI turns. That was pleasing as I often lose continuity of thought in that type of game when I have to wait for the AI in the later stages of game-play.
I already had the two sticks of Corsair LP 1.35v memory giving me 8GB and then I remembered I bought from here 2 sticks of OCZ (4GB in total) 1.35v DDR 3 12800 memory on a clearance offer and so I added that giving me 12GB in total.
So I bought one of the cheapest Gigabyte Z77 boards the DH3 (£80) but NOT the cheaper (£70) DS3H as it is more configurable and gives me all the expansion I need. This is based on getting no bells and whistles I would not need and the socket, imo, is at the end of its development cycle in terms of new CPU's - Haswell out in around 12 months or so.
Then I bought the 3570k on a special type of deal.
So this "upgrade" cost me £260 and if my Son does not want my P35c DS3r, E8500, 2x4GB DDR 2 OCZ memory, I can sell that to make a bit of cash back.
I love the native USB 3 (19 pin internal connector) for my Coolmaster 690 case. I like having SATA III.
I am sure that the change will allow me to render my home videos much quicker and who knows when my Liquid Pro Liquid Metal has arrived, been despatched from here already, I might build up courage to flip the lid on the CPU to cool it a little more.
Then (for me) there is the less tangible but most important factor to consider "the feel good factor" - my main PC is very important to me (my wife keeps to her laptop and tablet) and what I have just paid (£260) will be recouped ten fold with the enjoyment and pleasure the system continues to provide.
Bottom line...
I had the spare cash.
I made an informed purchase.
I'm more than happy with what I got
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tempted !
lol - do as you feel is appropriate
But looking back at one of your last posts you went from a E2180 to the CPU you have got now and you are simply not going to see such a difference again, assuming you intend to go to a 3570k.
However I assume you have read my lengthy ramblings and providing you have that spare cash the "feel good factor" is something that is not easy to define but so very important, for me, when changing things like PC hardware. And if it works out for you then go for it but do it with a reasonable level of expectations.
I sort of worked out my P35c system to the Z77 with what I paid (£260) spread over the years I have used the P35 rig has cost me around £1 or so a week. It might be a flawed way of looking at it but it works for me to ease the pain on my wallet.!
But looking back at one of your last posts you went from a E2180 to the CPU you have got now and you are simply not going to see such a difference again, assuming you intend to go to a 3570k.
However I assume you have read my lengthy ramblings and providing you have that spare cash the "feel good factor" is something that is not easy to define but so very important, for me, when changing things like PC hardware. And if it works out for you then go for it but do it with a reasonable level of expectations.
I sort of worked out my P35c system to the Z77 with what I paid (£260) spread over the years I have used the P35 rig has cost me around £1 or so a week. It might be a flawed way of looking at it but it works for me to ease the pain on my wallet.!
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I reckon around 75% of games are GPU limited and the rest CPU.
In CPU limited games such as: SC2, CIV5, Shogun 2, Witcher 2, Crysis 1 etc, a cpu upgrade will be very noticable.
In games such as BF3, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, Batman games etc... then a CPU upgrade will probably not do much for you as they are limited by the GPU.
In CPU limited games such as: SC2, CIV5, Shogun 2, Witcher 2, Crysis 1 etc, a cpu upgrade will be very noticable.
In games such as BF3, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, Batman games etc... then a CPU upgrade will probably not do much for you as they are limited by the GPU.
I thought this too.
However I recently upgraded from a [email protected], 4gb ram and P45 board to an i5 760@4ghz, 8gb and P55 board
In Crysis 2560 x 1440 before it would drop to 10fps in some action parts and now the lowest i have seen it go is 25fps.
Starcraft 2, 2 vs 2 used to dip to 10-15fps when 30 minutes into a game. Now I can crack on with 4 vs 4 max supply and all is good.
GTA4 is also playable with max settings where before it ran like spuds.
Some games will not benefit but certainly games that require processing power are a LOT better
Then there's the fact its going to end up costing me only £30 - £40 when I have sold off my old kit. No brainer really