Was there ever a dual core C900?

[ExoMale]

the laptop I am using is an old advent M100 blue with a C900, but on the sticker and when I look the laptop up, it states it’s a dual core, but when I google C900, everything comes up saying it’s a single core? I know there is a single core version as I used to have one before, but I’m under the impression my version is dual core as stated, so is this true or false claiming?

While it was free to me, as my main use of computer based stuff ie general browsing/YouTube/spreadsheets I am considering looking for some a little faster, but like under £50, so comparing processors at the moment.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Yes Mobile Celeron 900 is a single core CPU.

https://ark.intel.com/products/41498/Intel-Celeron-Processor-900-1M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB

Under £50 wont be easy to find nearly 10 years old 15.6 inch laptops with dual core CPU that is faster than Celeron 900 in good condition as so many under £50 I found are in very poor condition or grade C with many parts broke or faulty. It possible you could find a good used 10 inch Windows 10 tablet with Atom Z3735F Quad core CPU and 32GB eMMC for around £50 that is nearly 5 times faster than slow Celeron 900 CPU and very slow hard disk in Advent M100 laptop.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+M+900MHz
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+Z3735F+@+1.33GHz&id=2326

I used Linx 10 tablet, it was fantastic for general browsing, YouTube, emails, skype, Office online to use both Word and Excel and games at lowest settings installed and launched from 128GB SD card.

 

[ExoMale]

Thanks for reply.

Mean I don’t have to spend under 50, I could spend a bit more, but unless it’s one of those i5 or i7 processors with like a gt 500/600 series dedicated gpu or a amd counterpart then I will be wanting to keep it under £100, just don’t want to spend more than I need to for improved performance. I don’t have the 250gb drive that comes with the m100 blue as it was my mums laptop, so I fitted a spare 160gb, I could get a used 64gb ssd for it, but if the dual core listed is false then it won’t be worthwhile as it’s doing what I need fine enough so far, but long term it’s not the laptop I want.

I have an iPad Air 2 I’m too used to as I use it almost every day, so using anything but apple will bother me, so rather not go down another tablet route unless it was one of those convertibles.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Thanks for reply.

Mean I don’t have to spend under 50, I could spend a bit more, but unless it’s one of those i5 or i7 processors with like a gt 500/600 series dedicated gpu or a amd counterpart then I will be wanting to keep it under £100, just don’t want to spend more than I need to for improved performance. I don’t have the 250gb drive that comes with the m100 blue as it was my mums laptop, so I fitted a spare 160gb, I could get a used 64gb ssd for it, but if the dual core listed is false then it won’t be worthwhile as it’s doing what I need fine enough so far, but long term it’s not the laptop I want.

I have an iPad Air 2 I’m too used to as I use it almost every day, so using anything but apple will bother me, so rather not go down another tablet route unless it was one of those convertibles.

It very difficult to find laptops with i5 or i7 CPUs and Geforce GT 500/600 series or Radeon 7000/8000 series discrete GPUs for £100 or under. I found HP EliteBook 840 laptop with i5-4200U CPU, 4GB RAM, 320GB HDD, Win 10 Pro and AMD Radeon HD 8500M/8700M for £125-140 but it got bruise LCD screen, broken plastic on lid, broke DisplayPort and no battery. Also found Toshiba Satellite L50T Laptop with cracked 15.6 inch screen, i5 CPU, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD and GeForce GT 740M GPU for £179.99 if cracked glass screen wont bothered you much. There is current an auction for HP Envy 17-K251NA laptop with 17.3 inch screen, i7-5500U CPU, 12GB RAM, and 4GB GTX 850 GPU but no SSHD that you could possible grab one for less than £100 close in 2 days time. So I don't think you will be bother to get any of above unless it in great condition or you wont mind spent extra for new glass screen to replaced broke one, interesting I found Toshiba Satellite L50T-A-14H spec that the laptop has touchscreen so I managed to find new L50T-A-14H glass touchscreen digitiser for £60.

http://www.toshiba.co.uk/discontinued-products/satellite-l50t-a-14h/

I don't think you got much choice but I found Lenovo MIIX 310 10 inch 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet/Laptop in great condition for £99.99 come with Atom Z8350 CPU, 2GB RAM and 32GB eMMC sound very good deal to me.

 

[ExoMale]

Thanks for reply.

For £100 or less I don’t expect a laptop with dedicated graphics and an i5 or i7, not to generation I would want, I know I could get an A6/A8 quad apu laptop for that much, but I am trying to see what I could get that be worth while at the lower end, this m100 while is decent, but can’t go beyond 2gb ram, so I want at least 4gb and as it’s not a dual core like it states then I want a hyperthreading dual even if it’s an i5 as they have turbo.

ultimately I want to save and find an old generation of gaming laptop for £200 or less, the ones that had for example a gtx 460, but had like i7 processors or something in them, something that was aimed for gaming, but dx11 generation , how often I would play games wouldn’t make me worried about low-medium only settings, I just couldn’t justify saving £500 minimum for a used gaming model with a 950m-980m as I wouldn’t use it enough which is why I wouldn’t aim for one.


As for the laptops you mentioned, dedicated graphics, i5 or higher, I wouldn’t pay anywhere near £70 nevermind much higher for a laptop that needs work, I don’t care how good the spec might be, how much a screen etc would cost I could just buy a better complete no fault model, I am good at building computers and trying to solve desktop problems, but laptops are a no go as they too much of a pain I don’t have enough clue how to fix them hardware wise.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Thanks for reply.

For £100 or less I don’t expect a laptop with dedicated graphics and an i5 or i7, not to generation I would want, I know I could get an A6/A8 quad apu laptop for that much, but I am trying to see what I could get that be worth while at the lower end, this m100 while is decent, but can’t go beyond 2gb ram, so I want at least 4gb and as it’s not a dual core like it states then I want a hyperthreading dual even if it’s an i5 as they have turbo.

ultimately I want to save and find an old generation of gaming laptop for £200 or less, the ones that had for example a gtx 460, but had like i7 processors or something in them, something that was aimed for gaming, but dx11 generation , how often I would play games wouldn’t make me worried about low-medium only settings, I just couldn’t justify saving £500 minimum for a used gaming model with a 950m-980m as I wouldn’t use it enough which is why I wouldn’t aim for one.


As for the laptops you mentioned, dedicated graphics, i5 or higher, I wouldn’t pay anywhere near £70 nevermind much higher for a laptop that needs work, I don’t care how good the spec might be, how much a screen etc would cost I could just buy a better complete no fault model, I am good at building computers and trying to solve desktop problems, but laptops are a no go as they too much of a pain I don’t have enough clue how to fix them hardware wise.

I been looked at AMD A4/A6/A8 laptops at under £100 but all these laptops has very old Radeon HD 6520G to 8180 IGPUs are all based on old TeraScale 2 architecture from Radeon HD 5000 series, it almost 10 years old now and has around 40-50 GFLOPs while CherryTrail Z8350 GPU are based on Skylake architecture achieved around 90-130 GFLOPs and it capable to run DirectX 11, 12 and Vulkan games, plus it has hardware accelerated VP8, VP9 and HEVC decoders that old Radeon GPUs lacked.

Well I googled at 8 years old laptops with GTX 460M found all CPUs used i7 i7-720QM and i7-740QM but there is no way you can get these one for £200 or less, actually I found many listed on ebay and sold list for £350 to £550 upgraded with SSD and found one on CEX for £350. But I would not justify get these one if I were you as they were slower 8 years old with 1st generation 4C/8T i7 720QM achieved 3022 passmark and GTX 460M achieved 518.4 GFLOPS while you could find 4 years old laptop with 4th generation 2C/4T i5-4200M achieved 4040 passmark and GT 740M/GT 750M achieved 622.1/742.7 GFLOPS for around £200-£250.

 

[ExoMale]

I been looked at AMD A4/A6/A8 laptops at under £100 but all these laptops has very old Radeon HD 6520G to 8180 IGPUs are all based on old TeraScale 2 architecture from Radeon HD 5000 series, it almost 10 years old now and has around 40-50 GFLOPs while CherryTrail Z8350 GPU are based on Skylake architecture achieved around 90-130 GFLOPs and it capable to run DirectX 11, 12 and Vulkan games, plus it has hardware accelerated VP8, VP9 and HEVC decoders that old Radeon GPUs lacked.

Well I googled at 8 years old laptops with GTX 460M found all CPUs used i7 i7-720QM and i7-740QM but there is no way you can get these one for £200 or less, actually I found many listed on ebay and sold list for £350 to £550 upgraded with SSD and found one on CEX for £350. But I would not justify get these one if I were you as they were slower 8 years old with 1st generation 4C/8T i7 720QM achieved 3022 passmark and GTX 460M achieved 518.4 GFLOPS while you could find 4 years old laptop with 4th generation 2C/4T i5-4200M achieved 4040 passmark and GT 740M/GT 750M achieved 622.1/742.7 GFLOPS for around £200-£250.

to be honest so long it is dx11 and had atleast 1gb of dedicated memory then it wouldnt bother me for age, my last dedicated gpu laptop was a pentium dual core with an 8300gs lol, i used to game on a 5470 years ago, would have another laptop with that if i could find one with an i5, but an APU is only good if its got 8gb or 16gb system ram for better allocation.

as for the old gaming, i say £200 because someone offered me one sometime early last year and it was a ROG with an i7 and gtx 460 and they rebuilt it and wanted £200, i just couldnt afford it as i purchased that dual core with 8300gs laptop off them for £40 lol, so i havent actually looked, just basically mean i dont want ones with a 950m or higher, i want older for more affordability and because i wouldnt use it enough, just if i could get an i7 26**qm with a gt620-650 for £150 for example, might as well aim a little higher if i can.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

to be honest so long it is dx11 and had atleast 1gb of dedicated memory then it wouldnt bother me for age, my last dedicated gpu laptop was a pentium dual core with an 8300gs lol, i used to game on a 5470 years ago, would have another laptop with that if i could find one with an i5, but an APU is only good if its got 8gb or 16gb system ram for better allocation.

as for the old gaming, i say £200 because someone offered me one sometime early last year and it was a ROG with an i7 and gtx 460 and they rebuilt it and wanted £200, i just couldnt afford it as i purchased that dual core with 8300gs laptop off them for £40 lol, so i havent actually looked, just basically mean i dont want ones with a 950m or higher, i want older for more affordability and because i wouldnt use it enough, just if i could get an i7 26**qm with a gt620-650 for £150 for example, might as well aim a little higher if i can.

5470? I supposed you talked about Dell Vostro 5470 laptop or other laptops with number 5470 or maybe Radeon HD 5470.

Wow £200 for a ASUS ROG with i7 CPU and GTX 460M back in 2017 is definitely the best deal and investment, it a massive shame you turned the offer down. GTX 460M inside ROG laptops are actually MXM 3.0b card that you can take GTX 460M out and sell it then upgrade to GTX 1050 or GTX 1080 MXM card later in future. Very difficult to find MXM laptops on ebay for £300 or less as people decided to keep their old MXM laptop because it can last for very long time like 10 years or over outlived laptops with IGPU, APU and soldered discrete GPUs.

Found Toshiba Satellite L50D-C-13G laptop with quad core AMD A10-8700P APU, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD and 15.6 inch screen for £135, it great in condition but come with no charger so that wont be a problem when you can buy Toshiba Satellite L50D-C-13G compatible charger for around £12. AMD A10-8700P APU is based on 5th gen Carrizo core and has Radeon R6 GPU based on 3rd gen GCN, AMD A10-8700P achieved passmark 3458 CPU Mark and Radeon R6 GPU achieved 503.0 GFLOPS and also has hardware accelerated HEVC decoder/encoder as well play all DirectX 11, 12 and Vulkan games. Sound very good deal better than £189 very bad deal for a A8 laptop with 8GB RAM, 1st gen LLano A8 4555M APU with very old AMD Radeon HD7600G GPU based on Terascale 2.​

 

[ExoMale]

Sorry it was an Acer aspire 5740g, it had an i5 540m or 430m with a 512mb or 1gb 5470 gpu with hypermemory, was a great laptop, so I meant the gpu.

I didn’t have £200 to spare and I needed a laptop, so I was collecting the cheaper basic one anyways, it was a shame as I know ROG are good models, oh well still have time to get one.

I try to look at A10 laptops, but never know quite how good the igp are as some sound good and some sound week and those sort of APU units I would look to try some gaming.

 

[ExoMale]

Can’t edit title on mobile device.

Laptop had non proper English keyboard and suppose a dual core is going to be faster even if it’s still a celeron lol so please delete the thread. Thank you.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Sorry it was an Acer aspire 5740g, it had an i5 540m or 430m with a 512mb or 1gb 5470 gpu with hypermemory, was a great laptop, so I meant the gpu.

I didn’t have £200 to spare and I needed a laptop, so I was collecting the cheaper basic one anyways, it was a shame as I know ROG are good models, oh well still have time to get one.

I try to look at A10 laptops, but never know quite how good the igp are as some sound good and some sound week and those sort of APU units I would look to try some gaming.

Saw your was the celeron N2810 a big improvement over the C900? thread that is about to be deleted.

No, Celeron N2810 seemed not a big improvement over the Celeron 900, Celeron N2810 is based on Cherry Trail with only 2 core so it is really just a quad core Atom Z3735F with 2 cores disabled.

https://ark.intel.com/products/76753/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N2810-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz

Celeron N2810 has passmark average 774 CPU Mark.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+N2810+@+2.00GHz&id=2109

Compared to Atom Z3735F's passmark average 907 CPU Mark.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+N2810+@+2.00GHz&id=2109

Compared to Celeron 900's passmark average 676 CPU Mark.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+900+@+2.20GHz&id=665

Celeron N2810 with low power 7.5W TDP is bare faster than Celeron 900 with 35W TDP and also bare slower than Atom Z3735F with very low power 2.2W TDP.

I had another look at laptops, wow the latest listed prices are just awful for laptops for up to £100, far too many faults, scratches, wears and tears. Then I had another look at tablets and very surprised to find some Z8350 and m3-7Y30 tablets with 4GB RAM, 64GB/128GB SSD for £100 or less are in very good conditions. I think you will have very good chance to grab a Atom Z8350 or Core m3-7Y30 tablet/laptop at bargain price less than £100, found Chuwi Hi12 2 in 1 with Atom Z8350 CPU, 12 inch 2160x1440 screen, 4GB RAM and 64GB eMMC sold for just £68 last week and Onda Obook 11 Pro Tablet/Laptop with Core M3-7Y30 CPU, 11.6 inch 1920x1080 screen, 4GB RAM and 64GB eMMC sold for just £80 last week both are in excellent conditions.

Core M3-7Y30 is based on Kaby Lake architecture has passmark average 3543 CPU Mark and the CPU has HD Graphics 615 achieved 403.2 GFLOPS which is bit slower than GTX 470M's 616.3 GFLOPS and the CPU has hyperthreading with 2 cores and 4 threads.

https://ark.intel.com/products/95449/Intel-Core-m3-7Y30-Processor-4M-Cache-2_60-GHz-
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+m3-7Y30+@+1.00GHz&id=2864
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2910/hd-graphics-615

Found Samsung Galaxy Book with Core M3-7Y30, 4GB RAM and 64GB eMMC, auction will close in 9 days and Lenovo 710-11IKB with Core M3-7Y30 CPU, 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD, auction will close in 1 day.

 

[ExoMale]

Thanks for reply.

Yeah I didn’t think the N2810 was a big improvement as it’s still a celeron and did read they basically rebranded Atoms, it was more with the graphics side with the hd4000 assuming the one I saw had that, is better than the gma of the 900(well it’s not called gma in spec sheet), but as per that thread I decided against it anyways, i could play some oldie games on it fine, but would like to be able to play them better or other games without the need for a gaming laptop as I browse more than anything, just be nice to be able to sit on the sofa and play a game lol.

Those models you mentioned seem cool, however a tablet is not what I want, I have an iPad Air 2 and rather have a proper laptop than a tablet with a keyboard attached for window based, so thank you for the suggestions.

I will just wait till I find something worthwhile, too many people selling damaged models for too high a price just becuse they have dedicated graphic cards and possibly i3 plus processors or high end old pentiums, from my search, £150 seems to be the minimum for something in good condition of such specs without being one of these celerons/amd e series with 32gb ssd’s.

 

[darael]

The N2810 is more efficient with a built-in GPU but it will probably feel just as fast as the Celeron 900. Perhaps slightly smoother because of the multiple cores.

 

[ExoMale]

The N2810 is more efficient with a built-in GPU but it will probably feel just as fast as the Celeron 900. Perhaps slightly smoother because of the multiple cores.

i know ram plays a big part in speed, so anything that takes more than 2gb should make it more speedy, i cant justify any ssd other than my 32gb in such a poor performing laptop, whats annoying me more than misleading celeron spec is what intel versions of graphics are being used and its not just low end celerons.

for example for £50 i have seen an old HP elitebook 2540p which has an i7 640lm (2c4t), okay this one has crappy 1.8" hdd version due to optical drive and supports like 8gb ram, but it has intel HD graphics which is first of the generations and finding it difficult to establish how much of an upgrade it is or isnt, this is going against my other threads, but still keeping options open.

 

[darael]

If you do choose to get an SSD, do not go as low as 32GB. Have a search on Google for people trying to run Windows Updates on a 32GB SSD. Problems almost always come to surface when Microsoft pushes their 6 monthly updates out, which are effectively a reinstallations of Windows but keeping most of the user's settings and programs. Users have to practically strip everything from their current installation before there is barely enough space for the update - and even that doesn't always work.

Do yourself a favour and save yourself a massive headache by getting a 64GB SSD at least.

 

[ExoMale]

If you do choose to get an SSD, do not go as low as 32GB. Have a search on Google for people trying to run Windows Updates on a 32GB SSD. Problems almost always come to surface when Microsoft pushes their 6 monthly updates out, which are effectively a reinstallations of Windows but keeping most of the user's settings and programs. Users have to practically strip everything from their current installation before there is barely enough space for the update - and even that doesn't always work.

Do yourself a favour and save yourself a massive headache by getting a 64GB SSD at least.

thanks for the reply.

no i wont get another 32gb ssd next time round or least not as a main drive, although mine seems okay and now has like 8.?gb left after some updates from windows 10 enterprise im trying, i didnt buy it for regular use, it was meant to be for my am1 build, just never swapped over lol, regardless of being used and a transcend model, with it being sata3 working backwards for my older hardware, it likely is much slower than it ever was originally, so i probably try a sata 2 ssd next time unless i get a laptop or something with sata 3.

 

[Armageus]

with it being sata3 working backwards for my older hardware, it likely is much slower than it ever was originally, so i probably try a sata 2 ssd next time unless i get a laptop or something with sata 3.

The only use cases where it would be noticeable are copying from one SSD to another (within the same machine, unless you have 10gb+ network), or when loading games (which you likely haven't got room for anyway). Main benefit from an SSD is still the random access speed, rather than outright bandwidth.

No point looking specifically for a SATA2 ssd in this day and age.

 

[ExoMale]

The only use cases where it would be noticeable are copying from one SSD to another (within the same machine, unless you have 10gb+ network), or when loading games (which you likely haven't got room for anyway). Main benefit from an SSD is still the random access speed, rather than outright bandwidth.

No point looking specifically for a SATA2 ssd in this day and age.

well no i wouldnt specifically look for sata 2, but if i see one at the same time of a sata 3 thats similar price and maybe bigger capacity then i will get one to keep maximum running performance, really the only boost ive noticed with my transcend when i have used the computer is how quickly it installed windows and boot ups as i assume its vital for, suppose i havent been able to install much software to test on that, but when i had a 120gb kingston v300 in an old laptop it was fair, but not as quick as i thought. maybe i will buy the teamgroup 120gb for its price as a spare.

 

[Armageus]

well no i wouldnt specifically look for sata 2, but if i see one at the same time of a sata 3 thats similar price and maybe bigger capacity then i will get one to keep maximum running performance

It doesn't work like that - yes a sata2 controller is a bottleneck, but a sata3 drive on a sata2 controller will still perform the same (if not better in some ways due to newer flash tech etc)

when i had a 120gb kingston v300 in an old laptop it was fair, but not as quick as i thought. maybe i wil

There have been a few different versions of v300 and some were absolutely terrible regardless of sata2 Vs 3

 

[ExoMale]

the kingston was a sata 3, but was used also.

ah right okay then, mean i know sata 3 are better, but id have thought if a S3 works at like half the performance in backwards compatibility then in theory a S2 with a potential max performance matching the half performance of S3 would perform better overall as its not technically being held back.