Water Cooling & Temps
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Replacement waterblock won't have a major impact without sorting out the rad. Sort out the rad (either a bigger rad, or another alongside current, or more airflow - upto you), then see what temps are like. Cheapest short term fix is just to get some meaty fans - Panaflo FBA1212H or similar - summat that moves around 110cfm... whack those on. If temps suddenly become marvelous, you know that's yer issue... then you can either stick with it like that, or add another MCR220 and put 2x 50cfm fans on each... or get an MCR320 with 3x Delta1212M @ 12v... or a PA120.3 with 3x 110cfm panaflos running at 7v... there are endless options, you just need to ensure that the radiator can cope with the heatload and that you have enough airflow to remove that heat by following the above steps.
Changing block will only pull temps down another 3 to 5 deg C at most (D-Tek FuZion or Swiftech Apogee GTX, or possibly the untested soon to be released MC-TDX from DangerDen)
Changing block will only pull temps down another 3 to 5 deg C at most (D-Tek FuZion or Swiftech Apogee GTX, or possibly the untested soon to be released MC-TDX from DangerDen)
Hmm ... thats not promising .. if I work it out right (and I probably didnt) I would be pushing 1.32gpm with a Laing pro / XPSC top , EK 8800 block, chipset block (used swiftech in the spreadsheet, will use EK but its not on the chart) and a Fuzion block.
with my CPU (E6600 @ 3.5) Ultra (factory overclocked) and 680i chipset thats knocking on the door of 500w, If I went quad and SLi ... then getting towards 600W !
If thats right, and I looked at it correct, I need a PA120.3 (which is too fat for my plans) and at least 72 CFM (is that EACH fan or spread across the amount you are using ?) thats very noisy if its each fan, surely I have made a mistake someware ?
with my CPU (E6600 @ 3.5) Ultra (factory overclocked) and 680i chipset thats knocking on the door of 500w, If I went quad and SLi ... then getting towards 600W !
If thats right, and I looked at it correct, I need a PA120.3 (which is too fat for my plans) and at least 72 CFM (is that EACH fan or spread across the amount you are using ?) thats very noisy if its each fan, surely I have made a mistake someware ?
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Nope... that's correct. And that's each fan.
Heatloads being presented by today's systems vs the heatloads presented by rigs 2 years ago are up 100% due to quadcore & SLI etc. Previously a top end PC would be lucky to be pushing 350w total... SLI, Quadcore etc means we're getting towards Kilowatt loads. Consumers aren't paying attention to these facts when considering watercooling, hence the plethora of "I've bought this kit and my quadcore temps can't be right - looks far too hot" posts around the net.
Why do you think companies like Vadim etc are sticking 8x fans worth of radiators in a single PC Case for their systems? Only way to cool large heatloads quietly.
If you have 600w of heatload and want to cool it quietly, split the heatload across multiple rads... eg: find out what fans are required to remove 300w with a PA120.3, and then use 6 of those fans on 2x PA120.3 radiators, or, recalc it using the dT15 charts, and put up with temps 5deg higher than the recommended dT10 charts.
The reality is, very few folks NEED quadcore and buy it for e-penis mainly, without realising it puts their heatload up significantly. Ditto running SLI... all means cooling it all with water becomes very costly and takes up a lot of realestate in terms of computer case required etc to fit it all in...
Water has gone commercial big time, but just when systems are putting out stupidly high heatloads. Mass consumers are expecting currently available kits to cope with the top end gear. They can't. You effectively need 2x consumer kits such as the H20-220 Apex Ultra to be able to cool todays topend hardware and rigs.
Very few resellers are making their customers aware of such facts... and there are now a lot of disappointed watercooling buyers out there who aren't happy with the performance they're getting, and a lot of articles saying commercial water is no better than topend air. The above is the reason why.
How many watercooling resellers have taken the time to explain on their site what you actually need to cool what you want to cool?? Answer.... very few.
Heatloads being presented by today's systems vs the heatloads presented by rigs 2 years ago are up 100% due to quadcore & SLI etc. Previously a top end PC would be lucky to be pushing 350w total... SLI, Quadcore etc means we're getting towards Kilowatt loads. Consumers aren't paying attention to these facts when considering watercooling, hence the plethora of "I've bought this kit and my quadcore temps can't be right - looks far too hot" posts around the net.
Why do you think companies like Vadim etc are sticking 8x fans worth of radiators in a single PC Case for their systems? Only way to cool large heatloads quietly.
If you have 600w of heatload and want to cool it quietly, split the heatload across multiple rads... eg: find out what fans are required to remove 300w with a PA120.3, and then use 6 of those fans on 2x PA120.3 radiators, or, recalc it using the dT15 charts, and put up with temps 5deg higher than the recommended dT10 charts.
The reality is, very few folks NEED quadcore and buy it for e-penis mainly, without realising it puts their heatload up significantly. Ditto running SLI... all means cooling it all with water becomes very costly and takes up a lot of realestate in terms of computer case required etc to fit it all in...
Water has gone commercial big time, but just when systems are putting out stupidly high heatloads. Mass consumers are expecting currently available kits to cope with the top end gear. They can't. You effectively need 2x consumer kits such as the H20-220 Apex Ultra to be able to cool todays topend hardware and rigs.
Very few resellers are making their customers aware of such facts... and there are now a lot of disappointed watercooling buyers out there who aren't happy with the performance they're getting, and a lot of articles saying commercial water is no better than topend air. The above is the reason why.
How many watercooling resellers have taken the time to explain on their site what you actually need to cool what you want to cool?? Answer.... very few.
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Hi, I understand what you are saying, however in my case I think I have achieved my objective. I have a quieter and cooler system than I had before. Yes my CPU is running hot, however it is also reaching OC's far greater than I had before. Primarily my system is built around gaming, if I can't get the OC's with the heat then I'll reduce my core volts and FSB...
ChrisC
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Awesome advice there Marci! Thanks mate...although i need to start doing a bit more research then as I want a relatively quiet system.
When you say one option might be to have more than one rad, can that be done in the same loop or would it need a separate pump and res too?
When you say one option might be to have more than one rad, can that be done in the same loop or would it need a separate pump and res too?
Good points well made Marci.
What it boils (sorry
) down to is can I get lower temps and a quieter system ...
Maybe I should look for a car Rad
*EDIT*
Brand new Radiator, Fiat CINQUECENTO, 1108 cc, 1994 on - Size 450x214x24mm £ 33.21 + VAT + £ 10 carriage £49.02 ALL INCLUSIVE
Lol bargain. might not even need fans !
What it boils (sorry
) down to is can I get lower temps and a quieter system ... Maybe I should look for a car Rad
*EDIT*
Brand new Radiator, Fiat CINQUECENTO, 1108 cc, 1994 on - Size 450x214x24mm £ 33.21 + VAT + £ 10 carriage £49.02 ALL INCLUSIVE
Lol bargain. might not even need fans !
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