Water Cooling

rctneil · 29 Apr 2007 at 13:34

Can anyone suggest a kit which I can start of with Water Cooling my PC.

Thanks

Neil

mattyj1085 · 29 Apr 2007 at 17:13

rctneil said:
Can anyone suggest a kit which I can start of with Water Cooling my PC.

Thanks

Neil

Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra Watercooling Kit
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-014-SW&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=193

Cupra · 29 Apr 2007 at 21:53

id go for a custom setup

send me an email through messenger or trust and ill give you a hand

VeNT · 29 Apr 2007 at 22:11

totaly agree
custom > kit

Hades · 29 Apr 2007 at 22:43

Custom may be better than a kit, but the Swiftech is excellent and not that far off the performance of custom. The benefit of the Swiftech is that everything is in one box and designed to work with every other bit in the box. There's also instructions.

So while I'd now build a custom kit, I'd still recommend the Swiftech over a custom kit for most first timers.

Mekrel · 29 Apr 2007 at 22:44

But the Swiftech kit is basically a custom kit.

You get:
ApogeeGT (They apparently ship with these now, which perform the same as a fuZion, the only thing that beats it is the GTX)
7/16 Tubing (Great seal, and no performance loss over 1/2)
665 (These pumps are beaten by DDC's but the DDC's are not reliable - a lot of people still chose the 665 pumps)
Microres - One of the best resevoirs you can get. Small, can place it anywhere and it also has the acryclic slanted wall to stop sloshing sounds.
MCR series rad, only second to the thermochill PA series.

Get everything in one swoop and you know everything is compatable and you get instructions.

Cupra · 29 Apr 2007 at 23:27

but for 40 quid more you can get ALL the things that beat it and have any colour fluid so win win

plus the custom build is more satisfying

Mekrel · 29 Apr 2007 at 23:48

but he is a first timer and will have to ponder on barb sizes, thread sizes etc.

Cupra · 30 Apr 2007 at 01:57

Mekrel said:
but he is a first timer and will have to ponder on barb sizes, thread sizes etc.

this is true but atleast he gets the choice of everything and can custom it more to his case

M0t0r0la · 1 May 2007 at 18:39

Mekrel said:
But the Swiftech kit is basically a custom kit.

You get:
ApogeeGT (They apparently ship with these now, which perform the same as a fuZion, the only thing that beats it is the GTX)

Not true, the D-Tek fuZion outperforms it (By nearly 5C :eek:

)!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1949570&postcount=84

Mekrel said:
But the Swiftech kit is basically a custom kit.

7/16 Tubing (Great seal, and no performance loss over 1/2)

Sorry but thats rubbish, are you saying that smaller CSA (Cross-Sectional Area) is not going to reduce flow-rate/performance :confused:

paul_64l said:
but for 40 quid more you can get ALL the things that beat it and have any colour fluid so win win

plus the custom build is more satisfying

Agree 100%

Jokester · 1 May 2007 at 18:51

M0t0r0la said:
Not true, the D-Tek fuZion outperforms it (By nearly 5C )!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1949570&postcount=84

That's a bit of a selective post, there's a big thread on Xtreme somewhere where they do a roundup of the comparisons and the GT and Fuzion come out much and much the same, sometimes one is better sometimes the other is better. It all comes down to the rest of the system so there's no easy way to determine what the best block will be for your particular setup.

M0t0r0la said:
Sorry but thats rubbish, are you saying that smaller CSA (Cross-Sectional Area) is not going to reduce flow-rate/performance

The performance difference between 1/2" and 7/16" tubing is insignificant, bearing in mind that the ports on blocks are generally 3/8" or less once you've got a barb in it.

Jokester

Cupra · 1 May 2007 at 19:06

Jokester said:
The performance difference between 1/2" and 7/16" tubing is insignificant, bearing in mind that the ports on blocks are generally 3/8" or less once you've got a barb in it.

Jokester

thats why i got 7/16th and its a better fit on 1/2" barbs.. less chance of leaks and no need to overtighten things

Marky · 1 May 2007 at 19:10

paul_64l said:
but for 40 quid more you can get ALL the things that beat it and have any colour fluid so win win

plus the custom build is more satisfying

You can have any colour fluid in the Swiftech can't you?

M0t0r0la · 1 May 2007 at 19:34

Thats why the fuZion performes better imho as it's designed to work more effiencently with half decent custom setups with high flow rates ala dangerden high flow barbs and 1/2" tubing makes all the difference when using it.

M0t0r0la · 1 May 2007 at 19:38

Jokester said:
The performance difference between 1/2" and 7/16" tubing is insignificant, bearing in mind that the ports on blocks are generally 3/8" or less once you've got a barb in it.

Only if you buy kits like the swifttech one

, going custom and you can buy the far better danger den high-flow large bore barbs

Mekrel · 1 May 2007 at 19:48

M0t0r0la said:
Only if you buy kits like the swifttech one , going custom and you can buy the far better danger den high-flow large bore barbs

There is no performance difference with 1/2" ID and 7/16. Or it's so small it isn't even measureable.

If anything 7/16 would give better results being as the ID once fitted over a barb matches more. With 1/2" ID you get the lip of the barb in the way.

High flow vs Non high flow 1/2" barbs wouldn't make a measureable difference either. Both are 1/2" ID, the only difference with DangerDen have a rolled lip.

The only reason 7/16 exists as an alternative to 1/2" ID is for smaller OD and a safer seal around a barb.

Mekrel · 1 May 2007 at 19:57

M0t0r0la said:
Not true, the D-Tek fuZion outperforms it (By nearly 5C )!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1949570&postcount=84

Sorry but thats rubbish, are you saying that smaller CSA (Cross-Sectional Area) is not going to reduce flow-rate/performance

Agree 100%

Sigh,

I've never ever come across someone with so little knowledge try to post something they don't have a clue about. Sorry to put it so harshly.

The thread you actually linked to says so, you're reading night one of CES. The second night the same blocks were tested with the ApogeeGT with the thicker o-ring installed.

The ApogeeGT with a bowed base, beat the FuZion at the CES. How ever, there has been no reputable results since then to back up what was found. Two users on XS report better temps with the ApogeeGT but these are no where near reliable test bed systems with multiple mounts.

Also, I can't find the exact post, but cathar who designed the Storm block and the PA series radiators made a post on Xtremesystems about 7/16 and it had several advantages.

This is a similar post he made, but no where near as much detail:

One of the major reasons for going with the thinner wall thickness is that it greatly reduces the torque placed upon the block mounts from turning the tubing. Also, weight is reduced, making it less stressful again.

We've all seen the case pics where people have blocks twisting off of the CPU or GPU or NB or whatever, because of the tubing torque/weight.

7/16" ID doesn't have higher performance with respect to flow outright over 1/2" ID. That was never claimed. What was said was that the tubing->barb interface for 1/2" tubing -> 1/2" OD barbs creates a greater pressure drop than for 7/16" tubing -> 1/2" OD barbs, and given short in-case routing, this offsets the slightly higher pressure drop of the 7/16" tubing.

What was stated was that the flow-rate differences will be negligible because the two effects pretty much balance each other out, so long as less than 3m of tubing is used.

Oh, and for 3/8" ID tubing, I recommend the 9/16" OD stuff, unless you have push-fittings, in which case, get whatever OD you need.

It's not about flow, it's more about pressure which is why you look at max head height of a pump before you look at LPH.

Edit: The OP is looking for a kit, but you're wrongly putting Swiftech kits in the same league as things like Koolance, Coolermaster, Thermaltake, Corsair.

The kit is made up of custom components, and some of the best ones you can get. We can argue about the GT and DTEK FuZion untill the cows come home (and I've owned both the GT base and the FuZion) but the fact is the blocks in the Swiftech kit come within the top two each time for each class.

Cupra · 1 May 2007 at 20:06

Mekrel said:
Sigh,

I've never ever come across someone with so little knowledge try to post something they don't have a clue about. Sorry to put it so harshly.

The thread you actually linked to says so, you're reading night one of CES. The second night the same blocks were tested with the ApogeeGT with the thicker o-ring installed.

The ApogeeGT with a bowed base, beat the FuZion at the CES. How ever, there has been no reputable results since then to back up what was found. Two users on XS report better temps with the ApogeeGT but these are no where near reliable test bed systems with multiple mounts.

Also, I can't find the exact post, but cathar who designed the Storm block and the PA series radiators made a post on Xtremesystems about 7/16 and it had several advantages.

This is a similar post he made, but no where near as much detail:

It's not about flow, it's more about pressure which is why you look at max head height of a pump before you look at LPH.

Edit: The OP is looking for a kit, but you're wrongly putting Swiftech kits in the same league as things like Koolance, Coolermaster, Thermaltake, Corsair.

The kit is made up of custom components, and some of the best ones you can get. We can argue about the GT and DTEK FuZion untill the cows come home (and I've owned both the GT base and the FuZion) but the fact is the blocks in the Swiftech kit come within the top two each time for each class.

this still doesnt chage the fact that a custom kit for £40 more WILL give better performance and a lot more functionality... and can be made FOR HIM not an off the shelf product

Mekrel · 1 May 2007 at 20:43

I'm not disputing that, but that will also give him the head ache of making sure he gets 3/8 and G1/4 barbs and no clear manual as to what to do, and Swiftech manuals are very detailed.

It would also depend on what he is cooling, because for one that pump would be enough for most setups being as he won't be using anything majorly restrictive as jet impingment isn't as good due to IHS' and dual die processors.

Again, this is a custom kit, there is no push fit fittings like other kits which makes it harder to upgrade, there are no mixed metals, everything will use the same ID barbs.

He could just as easily upgrade that kit as easy as I could upgrade any part of my custom loop.

So for the money, he is getting the easiest break into enthusiast watercooling he could possibly look at and it's not like he is heading down a one way road like you are suggesting. He also gets great cooling, not like other kits where they basically match high end air cooling.

MikeTimbers · 1 May 2007 at 23:07

paul_64l said:
this still doesnt chage the fact that a custom kit for £40 more WILL give better performance and a lot more functionality... and can be made FOR HIM not an off the shelf product

That depends on the parts chosen; it would be easy to select all custom parts which do not suit each other. The Swiftech kits contain matched parts.