web design cost?

SteveS · 19 Jan 2009 at 11:46

wonder how much to charge for website design these days...

html/php site with images, form to email, calender (trying to find a script for that)

should i charge per site
per page
by time?

may be about 6 or so pages...

any ideas?

GravyMonster · 19 Jan 2009 at 12:18

I quote my time as an hourly rate. At work it's £90ph, for personal stuff £60ph.

For a small site (which your example would be) you may just want to do it as a flat fee.

Sorry if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but it's also always worth making sure you create a written quote stating exactly what is and isn't included and what level of support you'll provide and what cost for out of hours service etc.

SteveS · 19 Jan 2009 at 12:27

60pa, is that a very competitive price? i just dont want them thinking its too expensive... they know im not a "business" too.

i was thinking of a overal flat fee, but didnt know how much i should charge, if i work at £60 pa i can calculate it..

Dj_Jestar · 19 Jan 2009 at 12:34

Are you sure you mean pa? (Per Annum.. i.e. £60 per year.. )

Hourly rate at £60 is very competitive for a UK based freelancer. £100+ is not unheard of.

SteveS · 19 Jan 2009 at 12:57

no not pa!! but per hour! LOL

cool ill run with the 60 per hour then and caculate that over the site.

Sherbs · 19 Jan 2009 at 18:45

Friend got quoted £100+ VAT to add a link and upload a 5mb file.

He told them were to shove it.

SteveS · 19 Jan 2009 at 19:11

Inazuma · 19 Jan 2009 at 20:00

Spunkey how do you go about 'proving' how many hours you've worked? I know that if I was a customer I wouldn't trust a freelancer not to have procrastinated for a few of those hours.

Also, at a rate of £60/h you are looking at £1200+ per site (it takes me at least 20hrs) which is very good indeed :eek:

Hatter The Mad · 19 Jan 2009 at 20:01

Inazuma said:
Spunkey how do you go about 'proving' how many hours you've worked? I know that if I was a customer I wouldn't trust a freelancer not to have procrastinated for a few of those hours.

Also, at a rate of £60/h you are looking at £1200+ per site (it takes me at least 20hrs) which is very good indeed

If it takes you 20h to put a site together, it isn't going to be a very good site.

SteveS · 19 Jan 2009 at 20:03

lol, come on.... time doesnt mean its not going to be a good site, everyone works at their own speed.... and depends on the kind of site...

the one im doing isnt big so wont take me long

Inazuma · 19 Jan 2009 at 20:24

Hatter The Mad said:
If it takes you 20h to put a site together, it isn't going to be a very good site.

That's why I said "at least". Most sites take much longer!

Dj_Jestar · 19 Jan 2009 at 22:51

Most sites are less than 5 hours work. Install a CMS/eCommerce and apply a template.

suarve · 20 Jan 2009 at 00:24

SherberT* said:
Friend got quoted £100+ VAT to add a link and upload a 5mb file.

He told them were to shove it.

That is expensive. But a lot of places I know of have a flat admin fee for any update.

Mickey · 20 Jan 2009 at 00:54

Dj_Jestar said:
Hourly rate at £60 is very competitive for a UK based freelancer. £100+ is not unheard of.

Well it depends where you are, and how much work you're expecting from the client. But I promise you, £60ph is not a competitive price outside of London, especially for PHP work. Most agencies would laugh you out of the door too. Even in London, you'd struggle to find regular work at that price.

Mickey · 20 Jan 2009 at 00:59

Dj_Jestar said:
Most sites are less than 5 hours work. Install a CMS/eCommerce and apply a template.

Are you serious?

Dj_Jestar · 20 Jan 2009 at 01:15

Mickey said:
Well it depends where you are, and how much work you're expecting from the client. But I promise you, £60ph is not a competitive price outside of London, especially for PHP work. Most agencies would laugh you out of the door too. Even in London, you'd struggle to find regular work at that price.

That's not freelancing

Dj_Jestar · 20 Jan 2009 at 01:16

Mickey said:
Are you serious?

Er.. yes.

Dj_Jestar · 20 Jan 2009 at 01:18

SherberT* said:
Friend got quoted £100+ VAT to add a link and upload a 5mb file.

He told them were to shove it.

First rule of freelancing.. never refuse work, just increase the price

Mickey · 20 Jan 2009 at 01:20

Dj_Jestar said:
That's not freelancing

Yes it is...if you work freelance, you're a freelancer, when you work, it's called freelancing.

There's a massive difference between doing a bit of extra work every so often and being a freelancer. I always find developers in full time jobs have ridiculous ideas of what freelancers earn, it's simply not true in most cases.

Mickey · 20 Jan 2009 at 01:22

Dj_Jestar said:
Er.. yes.

Well you're wrong again then. That's how amateurs create websites for friends and family, not how a professional developer creates a professional quality site.