Welsh Teams in the Premiership
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I agree but what made them play in the English team, when there are plenty of teams in and around them that play in the Welsh league.
I guess google and some Swansea/Cardiff fans would help us answer this question
Because other than a couple of teams Wales are generally ****. Imagine the Scottish leagues but a lot worse (hard to imagine I know).
They are good enough for the English leagues, so they decided to enter the a long time ago.
They were mainly founded before there was a proper Welsh league. Wrexham are the 6th oldest football team in the UK and the oldest in Wales. Back in the day when football leagues were first set up they were set up across regions like the north west leagues, Birmingham league because there was no league set up in Wales they wanted to play competitive football so had to play in those such leagues.
It'd be possible for the English league to fund them until they were self sufficient.
Should move them out.
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As previously stated, they where part of the English set up before a welsh league was created.
@Gilly, to be fair I reckon they could be self sufficient anyway without the need for subsidy, it's just the loss of income from television alone is staggering. This indeed is why we occasionally hear (at least up here in Scotland) of rumblings that Celtic and Rangers want to access to the English set up, the welsh teams are used as examples of cross border league.
However according to Jim Boyce, for reasons already mentioned the welsh teams are a special case:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...motion-but-dismisses-Scottish-move-to-England
@Gilly, to be fair I reckon they could be self sufficient anyway without the need for subsidy, it's just the loss of income from television alone is staggering. This indeed is why we occasionally hear (at least up here in Scotland) of rumblings that Celtic and Rangers want to access to the English set up, the welsh teams are used as examples of cross border league.
However according to Jim Boyce, for reasons already mentioned the welsh teams are a special case:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...motion-but-dismisses-Scottish-move-to-England
Welsh clubs have worked their way up the English leagues because they joined when they were formed and so on (in legitimate real professional leagues instead of the weird rubbish local welsh leagues).
No idea why anyone would think its a big deal as they have been part of the league system like Wrexham and Newport County for longer than Wigan and hoards of other clubs.
Scottish clubs waltzing into the league on the other hand is just complete arrogance, Celtic/Rangers and any other Scotts club can join if they would apply to the appropriate level where there is place (like afc Wimbledon)
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No idea why anyone would think its a big deal as they have been part of the league system like Wrexham and Newport County for longer than Wigan and hoards of other clubs.
Scottish clubs waltzing into the league on the other hand is just complete arrogance, Celtic/Rangers and any other Scotts club can join if they would apply to the appropriate level where there is place (like afc Wimbledon)
Comin' over 'ere! Stealin' our League places!
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You've kind of countered your own statement there
In the short term the loss of TV money would prevent them being self-sufficient, there is no way they could pay the wages of their current squads which would then in the medium term have the knock on effect of being they'd get hammered in Europe like Barry Town or whatever so no big run there to bring in the cash.
Last set of accounts shows Cardiff making £13.6m loss and a staggering £83m in debt, and that's playing in the 2nd tier of English football and reaching the league cup final that season.
Also hard to imagine what sort of attendences these clubs would get in Wales, fair enough they would attract a lot of away support but looking at the historical stats even in the Championship Swansea were only getting average gates of 15k, again imagine how many would turn up to watch the dross from lower standard of player/football in the Welsh leagues.
Until 1992 Welsh league football was essentially parks football (some would argue that it isn't much more now!). When the Welsh Premier League was created, the FAW allowed the professional teams (Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham) to remain in the English pyramid as common sense dictated that they were far too big to be playing against village teams in the middle of nowhere.
They tried to force the Welsh non-league teams into the Welsh Premier League. It took a High Court battle and 2 periods in exile before the FAW gave in.
There are precedents from around the world of teams playing in a league in a different country from their own.
We let TNS play in the WPL even though they are from England.
They tried to force the Welsh non-league teams into the Welsh Premier League. It took a High Court battle and 2 periods in exile before the FAW gave in.
There are precedents from around the world of teams playing in a league in a different country from their own.
We let TNS play in the WPL even though they are from England.
That's the most delicious bit of irony of the whole make the Welsh teams play in the Welsh league stuff
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Same reason as Berwick Rangers play in the Scottish league probably.
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When you consider the stadium has a maximum capacity of 20,700 odd and you have to allow approx 10% for away support, the 15,000 is pretty good going for championship stuff reallyYou've kind of countered your own statement there
In the short term the loss of TV money would prevent them being self-sufficient, there is no way they could pay the wages of their current squads which would then in the medium term have the knock on effect of being they'd get hammered in Europe like Barry Town or whatever so no big run there to bring in the cash.
Last set of accounts shows Cardiff making £13.6m loss and a staggering £83m in debt, and that's playing in the 2nd tier of English football and reaching the league cup final that season.
Also hard to imagine what sort of attendences these clubs would get in Wales, fair enough they would attract a lot of away support but looking at the historical stats even in the Championship Swansea were only getting average gates of 15k, again imagine how many would turn up to watch the dross from lower standard of player/football in the Welsh leagues.
In fact, if you look at the crowds since the stadium opened, its been pretty much there or thereabouts regardless of the league we've played in. I see what you're saying, but its no different to when my friends and I would go to the footy on a Saturday to watch Swansea Vs Gillingham in the third division.
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2005–06 14,155
2006–07 12,720
2007–08 13,520
2008–09 15,186
2009–10 15,407
2010–11 15,507
2011–12 19,946
2012–13 20,378The way I see it, is that Swansea turn a profit, (a rarity in football) and were around before the welsh league was formed. We've been in the old first division and made it up from the bottom of the current league system, fighting against relegation to non-league, so you could say it is somewhat "earned".
Cardiff on the other hand.. They'll pour money in until they buy success and claim it was hard work and determination that got them there.
I don't see why it's an issue?
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We're all countries within one country - except England and Wales used to be considered one legally until the last 100 years or so as it came about from the Kingdom of England. It's why a lot of institutions a common between the two countries and presumably why there's blurring of the lines when it comes to things like football clubs and the leagues they play in.