''We're ready to install some updates'' in foreground, how do I get rid?

[snowdog]

This is the problem:

Does anyone know how to disable these promps, I have used GPEdit to scedule a reboot/install on monday 5:00 AM:

Yet still this annoying message pops up in front of our application (in this case, this happened on thursday night).

Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB...

Any ideas? How do I disable this rubbish? it's completely unwanted that this pops up in front of our own application, it's a sales kiosk and it should do the updates on monday 5:00 am and never prompt for anything.

 

[snowdog]

Nobody?

Surely someone must find these prompts annoying and has managed to destroy them?

I know I have the same issue on my laptop (with Win10 Pro).

Problem is when you search for this problem on google, all you get is windows 7 users complaining about win 10 update.

 

[Rroff]

People seem to largely just accept the annoyances with Windows update in 10 I don't understand the mentality myself.

Largely you need to use 3rd party software to pretty much disable and enable Windows update entirely (and/or manage updates through 3rd party software) to work around a lot of these problems.

Whoever is lead design on this seems to have absolutely no regard or respect for the end user or any vision of the problems it causes until smacked in the face by them i.e. the horrid clunky work arounds they've had to put in with shutting down mobile devices, etc.

EDIT: Just noticed you said its a sales kiosk... good luck with that - even with scheduled restarts you'll find Windows update doing things of its own even including restarting at times, each new update seems to include a load of new notification features that you will have to disable and/or possibly other new features that interfere with how it operates :S MS seem to have lost the ****** plot when it comes to understanding how people actually use operating systems and best practises for minimising the impact on the end user for stuff like that.

 

[snowdog]

It seems a bit odd that Microsoft would make this mistake, there must be a way to turn it off properly, I mean, it's a Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB Retailer version to be precise, made for this exact purpose, sale kiosks/IOT devices. We were told it is the replacement of windows 8 embedded industry pro retail.

Surely MS understand that for unattended devices, it should be possible to turn notifications/popups like this off.

 

[asim18]

Whoever is lead design on this seems to have absolutely not regard, respect for the end user

Correct.

Unfortunately Windows is not for the "end user" any more. It's a data collection tool and if they want to turn Windows Updates into a method for installing PUPs and malware they now have every right to do so and have already done so.

It seems a bit odd that Microsoft would make this mistake, there must be a way to turn it off properly, I mean, it's a Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB Retailer version to be precise, made for this exact purpose, sale kiosks/IOT devices. We were told it is the replacement of windows 8 embedded industry pro retail.

Surely MS understand that for unattended devices, it should be possible to turn notifications/popups like this off.

Mistake?

Are you kidding? Kiosks are a huge data gold mine, of course they told you it's a replacement of Windows 8 embedded industry pro retail.


Microsoft has been awfully quiet about their infiltration which leads me to believe they are actually a fully compliant organisation (Obviously Microsoft has been targeted just like Apple, if not more intensely). Apple has done everyone a favour by getting a bit vocal about governmental takeover and they're still trying to fight it. Google was confirmed (for a certain period of time) to be infiltrated but that's nothing now that they have control at the OS level and are getting subsidy for the "shove as many free copies of Windows 10 PUP down everyone's throats" programme.

 

[Rroff]

Surely MS understand that for unattended devices, it should be possible to turn notifications/popups like this off.

Given how badly Windows update is handled on mobile devices like laptops and tablets in 10 I'm not sure they do understand - though I'm not really upto speed on kiosk functionality in 10 - there may be controls I'm not aware of.

To be fair they do seem fairly quick on implementing work arounds (even if they are really horrid special casing like the new power menu options) when brought to their attention and/or they can't ignore it any more so you might get a solution from MS if no functionality already exists by contacting them.

EDIT: Wonder if you still get that dialog for security updates if you enable deferred updates - though I guess you'd still get it eventually when deferred updates become necessary but could be done on a maintenance cycle.

 

[Disco_P]

Do you have to option to defer upgrades in the settings? I've never had that message pop up with windows 10 pro. I think it appears in the sidebar as a notification but never a window that needs to be dismissed or accepted.

 

[Rroff]

Do you have to option to defer upgrades in the settings? I've never had that message pop up with windows 10 pro. I think it appears in the sidebar as a notification but never a window that needs to be dismissed or accepted.

If you manually check for and apply updates periodically I don't think you see it as much - I've only seen it twice in the whole time I've been running Windows 10 and I can't remember the exact context.

This is the problem with Windows update in 10 it doesn't seem to be implemented in a way that considers for unattended use of the OS amongst other things - I've (assumedly) had the restart warning pop up while a machine has been left running a logging task and then its automatically restarted losing what I was doing as it doesn't see it as activity.

 

[marc2003]

I'm about to install 10 on a spare hard drive for testing purposes. After everything I've read, I'm just going to disable updates completely. There seems to be conflicting reports as to whether that works so I guess I'll find out myself.

 

[Rroff]

Either by messing about with GPE or 3rd party software you can block most of its functionality but it is in many ways a less than ideal situation - some parts of the OS are built around being able to regularly update to function properly like app stuff and you don't want to be messing about too much just to install critical security updates, etc. why on earth MS don't put proper options for full manual control back in beats me. Its not like it breaks anything if I choose to manually do updates on a weekend when I know I have time to sort any issues or avoid having them doing anything on a weekend if I want to maximise my time that weekend to spend playing a new game, etc. (deferred options do NOT offer a solution to this).

 

[TheVoice]

I'm about to install 10 on a spare hard drive for testing purposes. After everything I've read, I'm just going to disable updates completely. There seems to be conflicting reports as to whether that works so I guess I'll find out myself.

I've never had any issues with Windows updates under Win10. It seems to happily install them in the background then complete the updating when I shut it down at night. No reminders, no restart nags, nothing.

 

[marc2003]

I'm not really concerned about being nagged by updates. I just want control over when because I'm on mobile broadband which costs an arm and a leg (literally ).

I've already discovered you can download cumulative updates as .msu files. The current March 2016 one for build 1511 is over 500MB in size but that's fine because I can download large files like that elsewhere.

 

[Rroff]

You can set connections as metered - but only if they are seen as wireless IIRC and sometimes it doesn't seem to obey restrictions and/or will be downloading updates before you realise and can set a connection to metered.

I've found that some systems for some reason are sharing Windows update online by default as well while most systems by default it is disabled - not sure what is going on there :S

I've never had any issues with Windows updates under Win10. It seems to happily install them in the background then complete the updating when I shut it down at night. No reminders, no restart nags, nothing.

If you shutdown nightly and especially make a habit of checking for updates to make sure it installs them at the next shutdown it minimises the other issues a bit but I've still run into annoyances from time to time and when you are running multiple systems with a variety of usage styles i.e. some should as much as possible be running continuously for months while others shutdown at night generally unless there is something I want to leave running - the overall experience isn't great at all.

 

[marc2003]

My connection is wireless but I had read that "critical" updates override the setting and download regardless.

Currently, I'm using the most crude method possible and it seems to work. I have "windows update" disabled in services...