What 5.1 speaker package to go for?

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Hi! :).. I currently own some Boston SoundWare XS 5.1 speakers. There great in my small 11ft x 12ft bedroom with my Yamaha V673 AV receiver and projector.

I move to my new house in a few months and I would like to upgrade them to something that would work well with my receiver. I am after some small speakers I can put on the wall.

Reading reviews and looking at styling Kef egg type speakers look nice! But I cant help but feel like Bose I am paying for the name and for lessor money I can get a similar set of speakers that could possibly sound as good! If not better! ??????

My budget is around £500-700 but am happy to buy used.

Any recommendations?

As always thanks!
 
I used to find Kef eggs a bit of an acquired taste. Each speaker has wide dispersion but, to me at least, the older versions sounded a bit dull. However, they're nothing like Bose in terms of poor value for money.

Kef is one of the UK's most prestigious and respected loudspeaker manufacturers; and the UK is a world leader in speaker design. So unlike Bose, Kef isn't resting on it's technical laurels from decades ago. It is still pioneering new driver technology and design. Their construction and materials quality is beyond reproach. Kef is to speakers as BMW or Audi is to cars.

The newer Kef eggs (E305) have addressed the sound balance and now work well with a wider range of amps and at lower volumes that previous incarnations. I installed an E305 system at a client's house in August. The partnering amp was an Onkyo TX-NR626. He was made up.

Finding something like the Kefs but cheaper is actually a tough task. These are small satellites that will make a decent fist of music as well as movies. That's a big ask. Most cheaper packages either make the satellites just tweeters (e.g. XS, Minx) or they accept that for quality reasons it has to be small bookshelfs as satellites. There are a few choices at over £1000 (e.g. B&W MT50) but under a grand it's slim pickings. The one set that I'd like to hear is the Monitor Audio Mass 5.1 (£800). These are the replacement for the Monitor Audio Vector AV10 package (£899) that died a death in sales terms. Few people heard Vectors because they were put off by its looks.

This brings me to the the wild card candidate: Monitor Audio Vector AV10. If you can live with the looks then this package is definitely worth a punt. The last stocks have been cleared in to the channel at an absurdly cheap £299.
 
Thanks for the nice read Lucid!, can I ask what speakers and receiver you have at home?

Yer I defo wasnt impressed with the old school Kef eggs hence why I am not to keen to buy, all thought after reading your post I think I might take a second look

Regards the Minx speakers I remember hearing them on demo in Richer sounds and they sounded amazing!! am guessing there place is only really to be used in the surround sound department?......... Dont you like them?

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I have JM Labs Electra 905's up front. These were about £1,600/pr when new. The rest of the speakers are Electra range too. The centre is the CC30 and the dipole surrounds are the SR70. Total value at retail was around £3,500. The sub is a REL Stadium II.

Electronics: I have a Yamaha RX-V765 as an integrated. I also have a pre-power combo - a Tag AV32r bp192 processor with either a Rotel RB985 or a Myryad T70 as the mood takes me. Either power amp can be hooked in to the Yamaha which gives a useful performance boost. For 2ch I have a Creek CAS2020 v2 amp. With the Yamaha and the Tag I can run the Creek in pure stereo for Hi-Fi and also integrate that with the 5.1 surround.
 
I've been looking at the Monitor Audio Vector AV10. They seem to be highly respected acoustically, if not visually! How would you rate these compared with the Q Acoustics 2020i or 2010i?
 
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Regards the Minx speakers I remember hearing them on demo in Richer sounds and they sounded amazing!! am guessing there place is only really to be used in the surround sound department?......... Dont you like them?
I don't really have any feelings about them either way. I've heard them on a short movie demo in-store, but haven't ever installed any. The brand is almost exclusively supplied by Richer Sounds, and since a typical RS customer is also likely to be a DIY installer then it's unlikely they'd call on the services of a pro installer like me. :)

What I can do though is make an educated assessment of performance based on the technology used.

The Minx satellites use BMR drivers. The same technology is used in Monitor Audio's Shadow speakers and the Kef T-series. Both those manufacturers are renown for R&D, so if anyone knows how to get the best out of the technology then it's Kef and Monitor Audio.

Then there's price. Kef's and MA's BMR-based systems weigh in at well over £1000. That's a big psychological hurdle for buyers. So the commercial decision to price north of £1000 isn't taken lightly. You could argue that you're being asked to pay a premium for the name. There may be a small element of that; but more likely it's that they both feel this is what it costs to make a BMR-based system work in the context of the rest of their ranges.

Now look at the driver implementation. Kef and MA both still use a conventional tweeter for high frequencies. The BMR drivers are used for midrange only. Cambridge Audio goes a different way. There is no tweeter in any of the Minx satellites. It's just a BMR driver in the 215 satellites. The 325 and 525 satellites add a 2.25" long throw woofer. The design approaches are different. Where Kef and MA want to produce the thinnest speaker possible, Cambridge Audio wants to make a satellite with the smallest front surface area (the 215). Doing away with the tweeter helps achieve that. This is possible because a BMR driver has a larger useful frequency range than a similarly sized midrange driver. It produces more usable treble, so it can double as a tweeter more effectively than a conventional driver of the same cone area.

If we compare to Bose; they also use a single 2.5" midrange driver and no tweeter in their satellites. But it's a conventional driver. The treble is at frequencies where the driver is going to be struggling with distortion. This is partly why the Bose sub/sat systems sound detailed on a short listen but is ultimately fatiguing when listened to at length. BMRs aren't perfect for treble either. They still produce a ragged top end. But on the whole they're a better compromise than a midrange cone driver.

Now you have some background we will come on to the audio side of things. Both the Kef and MA BMR-based systems can be bettered for music by each company's own conventional sub/sat systems. This is despite the Shadow and T-series systems having tweeters, and more drivers and costing as much or more than the alternatives. So where do you think that leaves us with the Cambridge Audio speakers?

On balance, I think the MBR drivers offer advantages in frequency range that make the Minx satellites a better choice than a single-driver satellite speaker such as Bose. But on its own an MBR doesn't beat something that also has a tweeter if your tastes include music.
 
I've been looking at the Monitor Audio Vector AV10. They seem to be highly respected acoustically, if not visually! How would you rate these compared with the Q Acoustics 2020i or 2010i?
If you're talking about as a 5.1 system, then my money would be on the Vectors. It was designed as a lower cost alternative to the Radius 90HD-based sub/sat systems.

I have used Radius systems with all sorts of electronics from £400 AV Receivers through to top-of-the-range ARCAM. The speakers have never failed to impress. The Vector system comes from the same design ethos but with simpler and less costly cabinet design and finish. Remember too, the clearance price of the Vectors undervalues them by quite a significant amount. So before the clearance deal there'd be no way you'd short-list the £500 Q Acoustics kit alongside the £900 Vector package.
 
Thanks for the feedback; I have just taken the plunge and ordered the 5.1 package....now I just need a receiver to go with them.....
 
Thanks for the feedback; I have just taken the plunge and ordered the 5.1 package....now I just need a receiver to go with them.....

How are you enjoying your MA Vectors? I've ordered them and waiting for my AVR, I'll be pairing it with a Yamaha RX-V675.

I hope they don't disappoint. Don't think I can get better Speakers for £300.
 
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