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What CPUs are 2x as powerful as an FX-8350 in DX12?

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DX12 has been an impressive boost to my FX-8350 - that is until I reached Kuwaq Yaku in Shadow of the Tomb Raider. I'm getting about 45 fps in this area despite near 100% CPU utilization on 8 cores with dips down in to the 30s.

I'm guessing with the full core utilization now available through DX12, the days of a quad core Ryzen 3 1200 trumping an 8-core FX series in gaming is now over, so I'd need to aim a bit higher up the Ryzen range for a big improvement.
 
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My Ryzen 1700 has a Cinebench score of 1600 ish compared with 800 ish with the FX8350 . Cannot confirm if twice as fast in games.
 
That's a start, thanks.

Been looking online for some comparisons that involve the FX series versus newer chips like Ryzen using proper DX12 on optimised titles, and it's very slim pickings. There's amateur youtube vids that are a joke comparing CPUs using GPU bottlenecked systems, or DX11 vs DX12 on the FX, or how the FX is holding up against Intel chips of the same era (~2012) these days, but not a lot else.
 
2700X here, Cinebench scores:

Stock - 1816
All cores @ 4.25Ghz - 1950
BCLK @ 103.5 - 1906
 
1303@ 3.9Ghz, Ryzen 1600.

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A Ryzen 2600 Overclocked scores about 1450 - 1500.

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Its the one you want, very fast, much much faster than you FX and very affordable.


Ryzen 2600: £150
Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE: Currently £92, Or.......
This is the best B450 Board, not the most expensive or best looking but the best. MSI B450 TOMAHAWK: £105
TeamGroup Dark T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4: £120
 
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Very informative, thanks very much everyone. Looks like Cinebench multi-thread is the standard to use when comparing the FX series with newer processors these days, and that'll hopefully be an accurate enough portrayal of DX12 performance.

It indeed looks like the Ryzen 1600/2600 is where I need to be looking to get double the CPU performance of the FX-8350, and going for something like the Ryzen 1200 or 1300 would be a downgrade, and the 1400/1500 would be a side-grade for very similar performance.
 
As suggested by Humbug - his combination of Tomahawk mobo and Ryzen 2600 is what I have gone for with 16gb Corsair 3000mhz RAM.

I have a FX 8350 and am upgrading to this. Hopefully should see a good improvement!

However, and people will disagree, but I am actually relatively impressed at how the 8350 performed. Especially as everyone slates it!
 
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As suggested by Humbug - his combination of Tomahawk mobo and Ryzen 2600 is what I have gone for with 16gb Corsair 3000mhz RAM.

I have a FX 8350 and am upgrading to this. Hopefully should see a good improvement!

However, and people will disagree, but I am actually relatively impressed at how the 8350 performed. Especially as everyone slates it!
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Completely agree, the FX can punch above its weight in well optimised games, but falls apart disastrously in badly optimised games that don't like multi-threading (World of Warcraft being one I tried a few years back - was like playing on a 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo from 2007).

There's a lot of naff out-dated advice / misconceptions online. I recall one person stating the FX-8350, being so bad on WoW, would have absolutely no chance on a triple A game like the Witcher 3. Yet actually 60 fps in crowded areas on the Witcher 3 is perfectly fine on an FX-8350, as the game is so well optimised.

Sounds like MSI must have sorted their act out to be recommended as 'the best' motherboard for AM4 on here. My current motherboard is an MSI on AM3. It works, but after trying to OC my CPU and looking online about this motherboard, it turns out it's garbage compared with other competitors, and MSI seem to have a bad rep for their motherboards from that era.
 
MSI's AM3 Boards were bad, yes, Bad VRMs and Heatsinks on them, if they even had them.

But they have upped their game, presumably to shake that reputation, for the money now you can't get better VRMs and the HS on them, i should also make it clear that the Tomahawk is not the best AM4 board, its the best B450, aside from the more expensive Procarbon B450, B450 is the mid range of 3 chip sets, A320, B450 and X470.

https://youtu.be/MMJoLyrWa7E?t=1151
 
Bengaboy said:
As suggested by Humbug - his combination of Tomahawk mobo and Ryzen 2600 is what I have gone for with 16gb Corsair 3000mhz RAM.

I have a FX 8350 and am upgrading to this. Hopefully should see a good improvement!

However, and people will disagree, but I am actually relatively impressed at how the 8350 performed. Especially as everyone slates it!
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MSI's AM3 Boards were bad, yes, Bad VRMs and Heatsinks on them, if they even had them.

But they have upped their game, presumably to shake that reputation, for the money now you can't get better VRMs and the HS on them, i should also make it clear that the Tomahawk is not the best AM4 board, its the best B450, aside from the more expensive Procarbon B450, B450 is the mid range of 3 chip sets, A320, B450 and X470.

https://youtu.be/MMJoLyrWa7E?t=1151
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I initially bought an MSI B350 Mortar motherboard with my 1600x & it appeared to me to be low quality, poorly made, but what do I know I'm not a tech whizz. Obviously it's not a high end model but it failed within 6 or so months so I sent it in under warranty & I replaced it with an Asus B350m Prime which again is a cheap model but the difference between them was like night & day. I got sent a brand new replacement for the MSI Mortar so I sold it on, I won't buy MSI again. I moved from the B350m-a Prime motherboard to an X470 Prime Pro when I couldn't get the memory at the right speed with a new 2700x (waited for a couple of bios updates for the 2 series support but neither dealt with my specific problem & I got tired of waiting). Even though the ATX X470 Prime pro cost twice as much as the M-atx B350-a Prime the quality of both was comparable which speaks volumes about how good the B350 was for the money.
 
nashathedog said:
I initially bought an MSI B350 Mortar motherboard with my 1600x & it appeared to me to be low quality, poorly made, but what do I know I'm not a tech whizz. Obviously it's not a high end model but it failed within 6 or so months so I sent it in under warranty & I replaced it with an Asus B350m Prime which again is a cheap model but the difference between them was like night & day. I got sent a brand new replacement for the MSI Mortar so I sold it on, I won't buy MSI again. I moved from the B350m-a Prime motherboard to an X470 Prime Pro when I couldn't get the memory at the right speed with a new 2700x (waited for a couple of bios updates for the 2 series support but neither dealt with my specific problem & I got tired of waiting). Even though the ATX X470 Prime pro cost twice as much as the M-atx B350-a Prime the quality of both was comparable which speaks volumes about how good the B350 was for the money.
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I was torn between the Tomahawk and various B450 / X470 Aorus boards for around the £130 mark.

As already stated, the B450 Tomahawk, even though the price would render it in the budget category, compares to a lot of other pricier B450 mobos as well as X470 mobos. This kind of sealed the deal for the Tomahawk.

The only problem I have is - even though I bought them all a few days ago, I have to wait until the 4th until it is delivered!
 
Bengaboy said:
I was torn between the Tomahawk and various B450 / X470 Aorus boards for around the £130 mark.

As already stated, the B450 Tomahawk, even though the price would render it in the budget category, compares to a lot of other pricier B450 mobos as well as X470 mobos. This kind of sealed the deal for the Tomahawk.

The only problem I have is - even though I bought them all a few days ago, I have to wait until the 4th until it is delivered!
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That's a bummer, I'm the same though, Once I've decided what I want and ordered it I hate waiting. :D
 
I went from an overclocked 8350 to a 1600 also now overclcoked and its a massive upgrade. I did go for the crosshair 6 hero and 8pack 3200 ram though.
 
Still on my FX8320. Such wow, much jealous! Will be on the Ryzen hopefully this year - its been a long wait..
 
but games dont use all threads so cinebench dont tell you the truth, not in a gaming situation. Less faster cores/thread are the best for gaming, at the moment anyway.
 
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