What else to look at before pulling the trigger?

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I'm after another supermoto but I don't think I can stand getting off the bike after 30 minutes only to wonder where my genitalia has gone. The "true" supermotos are out, i.e. Husqvarna 570, KTM 690 SMC.

I've been looking at the bigger bikes. So far I've driven the Husqvarna Nuda 900 and the Ducati Hypermotard 820.

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The Husky has the parallel twin motor from the BMW F800 only bored out to 900 with a few modifications. It sounded pretty good and the power delivery had a fairly nice linear feel which was great for fast A roads. It felt more like a typical naked bike than a supermoto but it was still a decent ride. I can't put my finger on it but like all Huskys I have driven, it felt harsh. Everything about it seemed hard and I felt like I was on the bike rather than a part of it. It was a technically decent bike but it left me pleasantly underwhelmed.


A couple of hours later I took out the Ducati Hypermotard. What a bike! Compared to the Husky the difference was apparent right away. I felt like I was a part of the bike. The demo bike only had 28 miles on it so it was still a bit tight but it still felt more supple than the Husky that had 1300 miles on the clock. The stock pipe sounded great, as did the engine. It sounded distinctly different to the old air cooled motor but there was no doubt it was a Ducati lump.
The Ducati handled a lot better too. It tipped into corners effortlessly and I really felt like I could get a knee down if I wanted to. The three engine maps were not hat I was expecting. The urban map which pulls back the power and throttle sensitivity and turns up the ABS and traction control was good in theory but I found myself being caught out with the delayed response around the slow one way system in Winchester. The touring map was the one I had it on most. Full power, medium throttle sensitivity and the TC/ABS dialled down a bit. The sport map was far too sensitive and I found myself lunging everywhere.

I couldn't wait to get back to the Husky dealership and I was thinking of ways to blag over an hour from the Ducati dealership.

So yeah, I'm pretty much sold on the Ducati. Had I been a few years younger I'd have thrown my credit card at the salesman but the old fart in me thought it'd be best to come home and have a few days to stew over it before going ahead.

My question is, should I try anything else before going ahead? I have considered the KTM 990 Supermoto which I might have a look at next week but for some reason I'm reluctant to. Don't know why!

Anyone been in the same situation and ended up with something different? The reason I ask is that this bike hunt started with me looking at Harleys, moved onto streetfighters, a Triumph Rocket and now here I am.:D

Thanks:)
 
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Got rid of the Suzuki a while ago to pay for a wedding. Part of the deal for buying a Volvo was that I could get a bike :D

As far as discount goes on a new bike, do Ducati dealers generally have any room for movement? What about KTM? If there's no movement on the price, could I expect to get something chucked in?
 
RJ's videos are what prompted me to look at the Nuda. It would be a great bike for bombing around the streets of London, just not what I'm after though.

I've considered the KTM Super Duke but it's a bit too far in the big naked bike direction and I fear I would lose my licence :p I haven't even considered the Aprillia bikes. I'll have a look now.

Thanks!
 
Yeah, I went in there a few years ago and the guy I dealt with was a complete tool. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then so I thought I'd go back, more out of convenience than anything, and the guy I dealt with this time couldn't have been better.
 
Just listen to this SuperDuke. How could you even consider anything else after that? :D
I prefer the more upright riding position and I fear that if I got a SuperDuke, I'd be sans-licence very soon :p


Love the Hypermotard.

How do you find it power-wise for the road? I'd be interested in getting one of these once I've got a track bike, I love my ZX6R but it's too easy to ride silly on, I want something which is fun at slower speeds, but perhaps not as asthmatic as my SV used to feel when pushing on.

I'm a massive fan of the V-twin power delivery for this but want a slight more poke than my SV delivered, is 80-90hp enough?

I see the 2013 model has 100hp and a larger fuel capacity of 16L, much better. It looks like I may have found my next bike when the second hand market develops for them in 1-2 years time

The Hypermotard power delivery was fine on the road. Very different to the old air cooled 1100 lump which had loads of power low down. The new water cooled 820 engine revs very freely and picks up pace around 5k RPM all the way to 10k. The electronic mapping for "Urban" mode makes delivery around town smooth enough.

The new Hypermotard definitely needs to be worked harder to keep pace but bloody hell it's a big improvement IMO. Listening to that Ducati thump along at 9k RPM while you're leant over at 45 degrees is a great feeling. The bike now encourages you to get involved whereas I found the old bike encouraged a lazier approach to riding.

The bike is capable of 120mph quite easily but I'm pretty sure that's the reason my neck is a stiff as a paedo in a playground. Anything over 80mph is a chore.
 
I'll have to see if Mr. Ducati will lend me one for a day. Won't be buying til the end of next year at the latest anyway, and I'll only be 22 then so they'll probably shoo me out of the showroom :o

I can't speak for everyone but when I went into this particular Ducati dealership when I was 24, the guy pretty much said to me that the only chance I had of getting a test drive was to buy the bike. When I said I wasn't going to buy a bike without driving it, he said I had no intentions of buying it anyway :eek:
Good luck getting it for the day. An hour was the best I could do!

So yeah, even as a serious buyer be prepared for that sort of attitude. I think the guy I dealt with then was just a dick so you might have more luck, but I do find the likes of Ducati and BMW dealerships to have a higher proportion of those sorts :p
 
So after a week of conflicted thinking, I called Crescent Motorcycles in Verwood today to see if I could have a look at a KTM 990 SMR. Pretty much all of the reviews I have looked at have deemed the KTM the superior bike so it would be silly not to have a look. I decided that I initially didn't want to look at the KTM because I was afraid it would be better than the Ducati, which I love.

But there's a problem. They don't have a demo bike and they're not getting one. Apparently no KTM dealers have a demo bike as the 990 SMR is hard to get a hold of right now. The guy told me right there and then that if I were to go ahead and buy, he would throw in a full Akrapovic exhaust system for free. That's got to be well over a grands worth.

I'm torn. The more I read, the more I hear that the KTM is the better bike, but I'm VERY reluctant to drop almost £10k on a bike without driving it. I suppose I could go to a dealer selling one second hand to blag a test drive but it's not in my nature to do that.

Any suggestions? The more I look at the KTM, the more I like it. I still really like the Hypermotard but I plan on having this bike for a while and I want to get it right.
 
I went to have a look at the KTM earlier today. In person, it looks and feels like a bigger bike but when perched on it, it feels lighter between the legs.

The spec is so much higher than the Ducati and the bike just looks and feels more like a traditional supermoto.

I'm seriously tempted to put a deposit on it. I think I'll sleep on it and in the meantime try to source a dealer with a second hand one in stock.
 
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Just put a deposit on it. This is either going to be an awesome decision or a huge mistake. Guess I'll find out in about 4 weeks. It's going to be a hell of a wait. I want to take it now but we're about to move house and the new house has a garage and the current one doesn't. :(
 
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Awesome, are you still getting the full Akrapovic system to go with it?

Yup, thrown in as part of the deal. I've been looking at vids on YouTube and it sounds pretty good. Nowhere near as obnoxious as my last bike though!

Now to look into security arrangements. I'm thinking of fitting a ground anchor in the garage. Hopefully that with a chain will be enough.
 
Picked up the KTM today. Holy ****! It's completely mental! I bought it blind but within 5 minutes I knew it was the right choice. I can't believe that a bike of it's weight can feel so light and flickable. You can really flick from side to side with hardly any effort. It feels like a motocross bike.

My only gripe so far is the throttle. It's very snatchy around town and requires careful handling. It would be perfect if it had the Ducati "urban" profile, but hey ho.

Performance wise, I'm still being careful with it but it is neck snapping in the right scenario. When overtaking a car at about 40mph, a quick blat of the throttle from even as low as 3-4k rpm has you up at 80-100mph in a matter of seconds. I think I'll need to watch my licence with this thing. The bonus is, that when you go over 80, the wind resistance really kicks in and makes it hard to maintain that speed for any prolonged amount of time.

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They changed the map to accommodate the pipes but even still, it's something that all of the reviews pick up on. Apparently, as you say, a bit of time on a dyno with an airbox mod, chucking a few sensors and a tinker with the map can fix it. That's something I might get round to in summer. For now I'll just have to look like one of those numptys who comes straight off a DAS and onto a litre bike :p

I only got to do about 30 miles before putting it to bed since we're moving house tomorrow. With the rubbish weather, it'll be next week before I get out on it again at this rate. I'll get some more pics as soon as I can.
 
Looks awesome. :D

I went and saw a Duke 690 today and I think I am already sold. Love the styling of the newer KTMs.

I saw a guy tear up the road on one of these when I was at the dealer. OMG the noise of that big single was awesome.!

In my haste in a pitch black garage, I misaligned the left prong of the paddock stand, gave the stand a kick to lift the bike up onto it and promptly flipped it onto it's left side. Bust the clutch lever, broke the mirror and scratched the tank fairing. I'm so god damn angry with myself but it's a good excuse to get some new levers.
 
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Honestly, if this bike wasn't my only bike, I'd have went for one of he more traditional supermotos. They're much more flickable and you can really manhandle them to do almost anything. The 990SMR sits between those bikes and the big sports bikes. It's a compromise. I had amore focused supermoto as my last bike and while it was immense fun, I literally couldn't feel my **** or balls after 20 minutes on it. They were completely numb.
 
What do you class as the more traditional supermoto's out of interest? Should I be looking at something else (smaller or cheaper perhaps?).

Sorry for thread hi-jack :)

KTM 640/690, Aprillia SXV, Husky 450/510/570/610 etc.

It really depends what you're after. My Suzuki DRZ400SM was a bit underpowered but I could set it on its side into any corner, foot pegs scraping the Tarmac, throttle pinned open. Immense fun at legal speeds!
 
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