What fans for case and replacement for fans included with aio

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I’ve bought the factal design meshify c case, it only comes with 2 120mm fans so looking to get couple more for the front. So was wondering if it’s better to get a couple more of the factal fans that come with the case or is there recommend cases fans for better cooling? If replacing the fans is it better to go with 3x 120mm or 2x 140mm(the case supports 3 120mm or 2 140mm in the front)? I’m not bothering with rgb so only looking at standard fans.

I’ve also got the Celsius s24 aio aslo from factal design, I’ll be installing the radiator in the top as I have the evga 1080ti ftw which means I can’t install it in the front. Does changing the fan have a major improvement on the temps or not worth the extra cost?
 
3x Phanteks PH-F120MP or 2x PH-F140MP front intakes and radiator .. but I don't know if it will make any difference on radiator because the included fans on Celsius S24 are not bad fans. If you can I suggest exchanging the Celsius S24 for Alphacool LT 24 for £78.95 It's better cooler with real theaded fittings, fill port, copper radiator, higher flow rate pump, etc.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alph...water-cooling-unit-240mm-11445-hs-005-ac.html

Don't worry about exhaust fans. Remove all PCIe back slot covers for more than double rear vent area so airflow around GPU can flow back and out of case easier.

2x PH-F120MP are £14.99. 2x 2-packs cost £29.98 so you get a 4th fan for less than 4 quid. ;)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/two-...120mm-fan-radiator-performance-bu-002-pt.html

3x PH-F120MP are £26.00, but the way the front fan mounting frame is on Meshify C 120mm fans have less restriction / less obstructed flow.

2x PH-F140MP are £16.26, so if on a tight budget get them. 2x 140mm fans flow about the same as 3x 120mm fans. ;)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/two-...140mm-fan-radiator-performance-bu-003-pt.html
 
I have a number of the 140mm versions of those fans and I would recommend buying some of those ( Dynamic X2 GP-14 ) . They are very good. If you hold your ear to them there is no bearing noise at all. They are certainly a lot better than the standard fans fitted to most other cases. They can be bought for £13 which is a bargain ( black or white blades to match the ones you already have). So I would use the ones you have and get some more to "fill in" so to speak.
I would only change the AIO fans if you have good reason to do so - like there is too much noise or not enough cooling with the existing fans. A good option there are the Corsair ML PRO, they give a wide range of RPM and are really good with radiators. Often they actually provide better cooling with less noise but they are expensive. Like I said I wouldn't replace the existing ones unless you identify a problem with them.
If the radiator is on the top the only thing you have to decide is whether to have the fans as an input or an output. If you set them drawing air in from the outside world, that's the configuration for the best CPU cooling. However that increases the temperature inside the case and so your 1080ti will run it's fans faster to stay cool. If you have the radiator fans blowing out then heat from the GPU will be affecting the cooling of the CPU so the CPU will be a little warmer. The trick of course is to flood the case with cool air from the front fans to lessen the effects of which way the CPU radiator fans are blowing air. Trying to balance everything can be a bit tricky but the more fans you have the more flexible you can be.
 
Pocah said:
I have a number of the 140mm versions of those fans and I would recommend buying some of those ( Dynamic X2 GP-14 ) . They are very good. If you hold your ear to them there is no bearing noise at all. They are certainly a lot better than the standard fans fitted to most other cases. They can be bought for £13 which is a bargain ( black or white blades to match the ones you already have). So I would use the ones you have and get some more to "fill in" so to speak.
I would only change the AIO fans if you have good reason to do so - like there is too much noise or not enough cooling with the existing fans. A good option there are the Corsair ML PRO, they give a wide range of RPM and are really good with radiators. Often they actually provide better cooling with less noise but they are expensive. Like I said I wouldn't replace the existing ones unless you identify a problem with them.
If the radiator is on the top the only thing you have to decide is whether to have the fans as an input or an output. If you set them drawing air in from the outside world, that's the configuration for the best CPU cooling. However that increases the temperature inside the case and so your 1080ti will run it's fans faster to stay cool. If you have the radiator fans blowing out then heat from the GPU will be affecting the cooling of the CPU so the CPU will be a little warmer. The trick of course is to flood the case with cool air from the front fans to lessen the effects of which way the CPU radiator fans are blowing air. Trying to balance everything can be a bit tricky but the more fans you have the more flexible you can be.
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Sorry but I disagree. They are not even a half decent intake fan. Dynamic X2 GP-14 only have a very low static pressure rating of 0.71 mm H2O pressure. That is not enough for most applications .. barely enough when running at full speed on intakes without filters .. and definitely not enough for restrictive intake grills and filters. Almost everyone I know replaced their stock Fractal case fans with ones having about 1.5 mm H2O pressure rating for much better cooling.

They are not near as good as PH-F140MP costing only £8.13 each in 2-pack or PH-F120MP and £7.50 each in 2-pack. That is much better than your £13 and will flow way more air.

ML's are too expensive. Too many other very good fans at much lower prices.

Top radiator should be exhaust so it's heated air is not warming up the air cooling all other components that are air cooled. Basic rule of thumb is for every degree warmer the air is the component will also be a degree hotter.

Here is link to basic guide to airflow and how to optimize case cooling. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770
 
Thanks for the replies @doyll i only ordered the s24 couple of weeks back with the case. Just waiting for the cpu to arrive and need the motherboard before I start building.
 
fowler002 said:
Thanks for the replies @doyll i only ordered the s24 couple of weeks back with the case. Just waiting for the cpu to arrive and need the motherboard before I start building.
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Of you bought it online you could return it and get an Alphacool LT. Better quality, can replace parts as needed, and costs less. ;)
 
doyll said:
Sorry but I disagree. They are not even a half decent intake fan. Dynamic X2 GP-14 only have a very low static pressure rating of 0.71 mm H2O pressure. That is not enough for most applications .. barely enough when running at full speed on intakes without filters .. and definitely not enough for restrictive intake grills and filters. Almost everyone I know replaced their stock Fractal case fans with ones having about 1.5 mm H2O pressure rating for much better cooling.

They are not near as good as PH-F140MP costing only £8.13 each in 2-pack or PH-F120MP and £7.50 each in 2-pack. That is much better than your £13 and will flow way more air.

ML's are too expensive. Too many other very good fans at much lower prices.

Top radiator should be exhaust so it's heated air is not warming up the air cooling all other components that are air cooled. Basic rule of thumb is for every degree warmer the air is the component will also be a degree hotter.

Here is link to basic guide to airflow and how to optimize case cooling. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770
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Being a bit aggressive there Doyll? :D

I don't think it's really possible to "disagree" over cooling unless the OP specifies a particular problem. I offered one solution, there are many.

I think Fractal cases do very well with the supplied fans ( albeit they need more ) . The reason I suggested adding another Fractal or two is because they compliment the existing fans, without having to replace them all with something new. They also happen to be a pretty good fan. Remember that the accent with Fractal is "quiet". The Fractal case is also a pretty easy case to ventilate, so I really don't think high pressure fans are needed. No, I certainly would not throw the original Fractal case fans out, I would compliment them.

Course if I was going to put an overclocked monster in there with SLI 1080ti's it might be different. And that's kinda the point. There is no one way to cool a PC because so much depends on what the user wants. You can't just say "this is the way to do it". CPU radiators do not always have to be set on an exhaust, particularly if you have a very powerful GPU then the GPU heat will affect the CPU temperature. Now you may not care about that, but if you overclock the CPU then you may well care a LOT about that. Having your CPU temps ten degrees higher may really concern you. The point I am making is that different people have different priorities.. and there is no perfect suits everyone solution. So don't disagree! Just offer your opinion as an alternative and let OP decide. Ultimately OP would do well to experiment with the cooling and if they need to buy some mega fans, well, so be it, but at the moment, without knowing what their priorities are, all suggestions are good. Including yours, but maybe not exclusively yours. lol.
 
doyll said:
2x PH-F120MP are £14.99. 2x 2-packs cost £29.98 so you get a 4th fan for less than 4 quid. ;)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/two-...120mm-fan-radiator-performance-bu-002-pt.html
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Fancy special designs for fashion usually aren't greatest acoustically...

The noise emitted by the PH-F120MP is tonal at all speeds. At 550 RPM, it produces a low, dry-sounding hum which continues throughout most of its range. Generally, the pitch of this ~380 Hz tone increases with speed except around 900 RPM where it regresses, unexpectedly creating a less annoying output. At about 1000 RPM, the previous acoustics come back in full force and multiple strong tones appear together. At 1100 RPM, the fan starts to buzz and become turbulent as well, adding more complexity to the sound. In short, the acoustics are an absolute mess and a complete reverse of the PH-F140HP.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Fan_Roundup_2015a
And with sample size of 6 fans that's unlikely to be bad individual sample.
 
EsaT said:
Fancy special designs for fashion usually aren't greatest acoustically...

The noise emitted by the PH-F120MP is tonal at all speeds. At 550 RPM, it produces a low, dry-sounding hum which continues throughout most of its range. Generally, the pitch of this ~380 Hz tone increases with speed except around 900 RPM where it regresses, unexpectedly creating a less annoying output. At about 1000 RPM, the previous acoustics come back in full force and multiple strong tones appear together. At 1100 RPM, the fan starts to buzz and become turbulent as well, adding more complexity to the sound. In short, the acoustics are an absolute mess and a complete reverse of the PH-F140HP.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Fan_Roundup_2015a
And with sample size of 6 fans that's unlikely to be bad individual sample.
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If they are so 'good' why do so many people using a single GPU and 140mm fan CPU cooler change them?

EsaT said:
Fancy special designs for fashion usually aren't greatest acoustically...

The noise emitted by the PH-F120MP is tonal at all speeds. At 550 RPM, it produces a low, dry-sounding hum which continues throughout most of its range. Generally, the pitch of this ~380 Hz tone increases with speed except around 900 RPM where it regresses, unexpectedly creating a less annoying output. At about 1000 RPM, the previous acoustics come back in full force and multiple strong tones appear together. At 1100 RPM, the fan starts to buzz and become turbulent as well, adding more complexity to the sound. In short, the acoustics are an absolute mess and a complete reverse of the PH-F140HP.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Fan_Roundup_2015a
And with sample size of 6 fans that's unlikely to be bad individual sample.
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I remember that review, but I disagree with it .. as do all but one person who uses them. That one person ended up never find fans he was happy with.
 
What’s the difference between the Corsair ml pro(non led or rgb version) and non pro? I can’t see anything reading the specs expect for the colour and that the pro is single fan and non pro comes in a dual.

It seems to come at/near top of the list best case fans
 
I think MLs ' come in 2 120mm models (ML120 Pro RGB 400-1600rpm and ML120 400-2400rpm) and 1 140mm model (ML 140 Pro 400-2000rpm). That is all Corsair lists on their website at this time, but Thermalbench review / test of ML120 Pro RGB were 400-2400rpm .. so ..
http://thermalbench.com/2016/07/12/corsair-ml120-pro-120-mm-fan/

Thermalbench ML140 review
http://thermalbench.com/2016/07/29/corsair-ml140-pro-140-mm-fan/

MLs' are good fans, but also quite expensive with some users having harmonic noise problems with some grill / radiator combinations and their quality control (or maybe it's shipping damage) some users have had some good and some bad fans. Myself, I'm sticking with long term tried and proven fans. ;)
 
I ended up going for 2x of the non-pro ml120 dual packs, so 3x front intake and 1 for rear exhaust.
Will test them on the aio to see what the difference is between the stock fans and the ml120, if it’s a good difference might order another pack of the dual pack.

Did consider the bequite silent wing 3 as they give similar performance but are quieter, but they’re £20 per fan.
 
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