i am seriously worried about amd. a year ago they were on top of their game but now no one even mentions them today. their cpu market share must be overrun by intel right now. i'm curious to know what amd will release in response to intel core duo cpu's, but i'm begging to think they are struggling to release anything that is able to compete. is this the end of amd?
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amd have taken a back seat from the consumer market at the moment because they know realistically they cant compete with the C2D from intel, but they are concentrating more on the server side where they are well established using trusted tech unlike intel's newest offerings which will take a while to be trusted as hardcore server cpus
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AMD's working on a product they call 4x4.
I' sorry to give such a generic reply but in terms of the mass market & servers/ business, top performance isn't very important.
In the server market, AMD remain competetive because their CPU's scale well in 2+ socket configurations, are competetively priced & are trusted as being reliable (as are intel of course).
In mass market home systems, they are competetive at the low end which accounts for most sales. Your average user doesn't care if their CPU is 20% faster than the alternative - they appreciate (quite reasonably) features - & saving money on the CPU leaves more money to offer them printers, extra storage space, more software etc (again, quite reasonably, although different to my priorities, or yours).
In short, AMD will probably be back in 1/2/3 years at the high end as ever, but the high end (in our sense of the word) has little to do wiith the business plans, profits, market share & success of these large companies.
In the server market, AMD remain competetive because their CPU's scale well in 2+ socket configurations, are competetively priced & are trusted as being reliable (as are intel of course).
In mass market home systems, they are competetive at the low end which accounts for most sales. Your average user doesn't care if their CPU is 20% faster than the alternative - they appreciate (quite reasonably) features - & saving money on the CPU leaves more money to offer them printers, extra storage space, more software etc (again, quite reasonably, although different to my priorities, or yours).
In short, AMD will probably be back in 1/2/3 years at the high end as ever, but the high end (in our sense of the word) has little to do wiith the business plans, profits, market share & success of these large companies.
All the big manufacturers leapfrog to top place and back down, as one releases new tech while the other just refreshes, then the other refreshes and the competition release new tech.
Just goes Intel, AMD, Intel, AMD, Intel, AMD, Intel, AMD, Intel since about the introduction of the Athlon Thunderbird.
Same with ATI and Nvidia since the Radeon 8500 being serious competition to the GF3, albeit hampered by immature drivers at the time of release.
It always happens, just wait for AMD to take the lead again around Sept next year for them to be 'killing Intel'.
People wrote Intel off when the PD flopped, you can always tell the people who are relatively new to computers when they have not been through a few cycles of the leader changing.
Gets quite boring actually, as you know who will be top roughly around what time.
Just goes Intel, AMD, Intel, AMD, Intel, AMD, Intel, AMD, Intel since about the introduction of the Athlon Thunderbird.
Same with ATI and Nvidia since the Radeon 8500 being serious competition to the GF3, albeit hampered by immature drivers at the time of release.
It always happens, just wait for AMD to take the lead again around Sept next year for them to be 'killing Intel'.
People wrote Intel off when the PD flopped, you can always tell the people who are relatively new to computers when they have not been through a few cycles of the leader changing.
Gets quite boring actually, as you know who will be top roughly around what time.
the old 8500 was an interesting card - weak when it first came out (as you said due mostly to poor drivers) but by the time ATI had finished with it - it was up there with the Gf4 Ti4800 when it wasn't hurting for memory bandwidth...
Thing is in the past AMD came out of practically nowhere to give intel P3 and P4 CPUs a hard time, and for awhile had some dominating CPUs but they never put intel completely out of the game... this time around intel has left AMD in its dust in the performance desktop market - putting AMD out the game... they might make a come back but as I said before unless they have something up their sleeve they are keeping quiet its going to be awhile coming... and don't look to 4x4 for salvation - its a horrible design and runs way warm - and while if it was released today it might give conroes some serious competition - its not likely to be around for months yet... by which time it will be way behind.
Thing is in the past AMD came out of practically nowhere to give intel P3 and P4 CPUs a hard time, and for awhile had some dominating CPUs but they never put intel completely out of the game... this time around intel has left AMD in its dust in the performance desktop market - putting AMD out the game... they might make a come back but as I said before unless they have something up their sleeve they are keeping quiet its going to be awhile coming... and don't look to 4x4 for salvation - its a horrible design and runs way warm - and while if it was released today it might give conroes some serious competition - its not likely to be around for months yet... by which time it will be way behind.
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Quixote said:
this man said it best... you'll probably find sales of the sempron and mobile sempron outway that of the athlon, x2 and fx ranges... not everyone wants to run benchmarks, play games or use phase change cooling to get the fastest superPI... you dont need a super fast quad core or a great deal of memory to run word
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Interesting post. I'm a AMD fan, but gotta listen to the experts and CD2 are the way forward at the moment. You say about AMD having the market at the lower end, but the intel 6300 is quite a bargin.
I will be looking to upgrade soon, and will be going for the intel chips. I just hope AMD do have something in the pipeline, bit of competition never hurt anyone.
I will be looking to upgrade soon, and will be going for the intel chips. I just hope AMD do have something in the pipeline, bit of competition never hurt anyone.
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first off, why do we have to listen to the experts ?
for people like those of us here in these forums we have enough knowledge to go with what ever company we like regardless of performance, I just upgraded, im with AMD. secondly the generic user who is the mainstay of the desktop market doesnt acually HAVE A CLUE what cpu is in his box. The manufacturers decide that. and that is why despite core2duo, Intel and AMD`s market share will barely change, just like its barely changed over the last 5 years, although that was more down to intel fiddling in things it shouldnt of done.
third, the E6300 is not the economy end of the CPU market so im not sure why youve mentioned it in conjunction with talking about the lower end of the market, its more mid range. at the economy side of the market AMD sell bucket loads via the sempron range.
i am not desputing the e6300 is a good cpu for the price but a budget pc and even a budget gaming one would contain a amd64 anthlon/sempron cpu, I mean a 393 3000 costs like £38. For all your basic stuff its very capable and for gaming (nearly all games show hardly any benefit from dual core and still would benift far more if the cash went to a better GPU instead of dual core cpu) its more than capable and also if more speed needed is HIGHLY overclockable, so coupled with a decnt 939 board like the infinity your on to a winner combo . You would need a top sli/crossfire rig for it to be affecting your maximum performance in any way and then we would not be talking about a budget pc 
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. You would need a top sli/crossfire rig for it to be affecting your maximum performance in any way and then we would not be talking about a budget pc .