What is "Fast"?
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Its relevent because a car that can pull to 160MPH with ease is stupidly quick 60-100mph.
You claim your ST is fast to 100mph, well I am sorry but maybe for you it is, but for me it would be slow and boring. To give you an idea:-
60-100mph in Mustang = 4s
60-100mph in EVO X 360 = 5.8s
So 60-100mph in a tuned ST with cira 280BHP is what, 8s?
Sorry thats slow to me. The 160mph relevence part is because like you say your car dies off past 120-130mph and this is reflected by your slower 8s 60-100mph time, wheras a car that keep accelerating hard past 130mph will be much quicker at lower speeds.
As to how often I bury the throttle at 60mph, well lots, country lanes come to mind, overtaking slowing vehicles, powering out of corners, are all areas where on the roll performance is very important.
Says he who puts more credence on 60-160
True most places where you can accelerate from a standstill are mainly 30mph zones, so if your hitting 60mph from standstill in such zones tut tut. Most NS roads don't have traffic lights as not built up areas, hence why they are NS, that was my point.
And we're back to what was said in the very first few posts of the thread - it's all relative to your own experiences.
True most places where you can accelerate from a standstill are mainly 30mph zones, so if your hitting 60mph from standstill in such zones tut tut. Most NS roads don't have traffic lights as not built up areas, hence why they are NS, that was my point.
or waiting at roundabouts that lead into a dual carriageways! or we talking a straight 0-60?
or waiting at roundabouts that lead into a dual carriageways! or we talking a straight 0-60?
True I forget about such situations as all our roundabouts round here are 30/40 limits. Though on roundabouts where it is indeed national speed limit indeed you can and no 0-60mph can be done whilst turning with ease in any car, though you may get better results if going straight.
True most places where you can accelerate from a standstill are mainly 30mph zones, so if your hitting 60mph from standstill in such zones tut tut. Most NS roads don't have traffic lights as not built up areas, hence why they are NS, that was my point.
That said, 0-60 will give you a decent indication of how a car will perform pulling away at junctions, roundabouts, from lights etc. which is the sort of performance 90% of people will be interested in, hence its popularity as a comparison. Just because the measurement is 0-60 doesn't mean you have to hit 60, you can level off at 30 or 40 if you want
It also gives a reasonable idea of performance accelerating to speeds decent enough to join a motorway. (Obviously a 30-70 is better but 0-60 isn't entirely irrelevant, especially if it's a sliproad directly off a roundabout for example)
How it performs from 80mph+ isn't of huge concern to most people.
mountune focus ST was timed 0-100 of 14.1 seconds so circa 8 sounds fair.
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[TW]Fox;17640118 said:
Not by me you did not, M3 everyday, its got displacement and more power.
Plus having owned an M3 CSL they do 60-100mph in sub 6s, so a stock M3 is probably circa 6.5s, so the M3 is definetely quicker without a doubt. The M3 will really come into stride into 3 digit territory where a Focus even tuned is just slow.
we were quoting 60-100. of 8s for a mountune Focus ST.
Drivers repubic timed it at 0-100 of 14s.
M3 E90 does 60-100 in about 5.2 apparently. So no, its not M3 quick
E46 M3 did it in 6.7 s
Beat me to it, I was not far out though guessing the stock M3 is 6.5s as my CSL was 5.9s and the E90 M3 is slightly quicker than a CSL past 80mph and hence it shows with a 5.2s time.
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0-60 sec times are for boy (traffic light) racers
A well setup car with ONLY a 0-60 time of 8 seconds could go round corners very well. So could easily be faster than some phat American car that has a 0-60 time of say 7 seconds or even less.
What makes a car a fast car is the overall performance (including handling). Just being able to go fast from 0-60 means zilch IMO. Straight line performance is also boring, carrying speed around the corners is where the fun comes in and applying the power at the right time.
A well setup car with ONLY a 0-60 time of 8 seconds could go round corners very well. So could easily be faster than some phat American car that has a 0-60 time of say 7 seconds or even less.
What makes a car a fast car is the overall performance (including handling). Just being able to go fast from 0-60 means zilch IMO. Straight line performance is also boring, carrying speed around the corners is where the fun comes in and applying the power at the right time.
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0-60 sec times are for boy (traffic light) racers
A well setup car with ONLY a 0-60 time of 8 seconds could go round corners very well. So could easily be faster than some phat American car that has a 0-60 time of say 7 seconds or even less.
What makes a car a fast car is the overall performance (including handling). Just being able to go fast from 0-60 means zilch IMO. Straight line performance is also boring, carrying speed around the corners is where the fun comes in and applying the power at the right time.
Yeah completely agreed, I just took the thread as meaning whats fast as in just regards to acceleration. Which is subjective, but too me thats stuff with over 500 horses.
Taking handling, corner speed, been able to drive on the edge is what can make other cars seem fast, its one of the reasons I like the EVO, especially when running on its AD08 tyres, its a lot of fun.
But if were talking fast as an overall thing then I'd say something truly epicly fast would be something like the Atom V8, because I am sure it feels like it wants to kill you at the first possibility.
Thats why things like 150BHP westfield/caterhams are so fast because to extract the best from that takes skill and when it pays off its extremely rewarding and an adrenaline rush.
So for ultimate all round fast car, so big power, lightweight, incredible cornering you want something like an Exige, Atom, Noble etc. Those are truly all round fast cars but with them come problems, such as lack of comfort etc.
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We need an OcUKmark, do a bunch of tests that are designed to factor out issues we regularly complain about in the current benchmarks. YOu can look at the overall result or the accel test, or the max speed test, or the from 0 test.
Then maybe we could do a luxomark, where you get marks for luxury features, so air con would be worth 25, +25 for climate control, +25 again for dual zone. Leather would be worth something, a fuel light which latches on rather than flickers would be worth 1 mark. So we can have a really comprehensive score.
Then maybe we could do a luxomark, where you get marks for luxury features, so air con would be worth 25, +25 for climate control, +25 again for dual zone. Leather would be worth something, a fuel light which latches on rather than flickers would be worth 1 mark. So we can have a really comprehensive score.