What is it with all these traffic lights?

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Maybe I've just started driving in cities more, but there seem to be more and more ridiculous traffic lights that do a terrible job of managing traffic outside of peak hours (possibly terrible in peak hours as well, but I'm fortunate enough to avoid them..), particularly late evenings/nighttime.

It just seems like I'm constantly setting off, stopping 20s later while one car or even no-one is there to go through the other way, then restarting 30-60s later and repeating ad nauseum. Really starting to get on my nerves!

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Yeah could be..

much as I'm sure local residents enjoy speed bumps a) destroying their suspensions every day and b) instead of drivers passing at normal speed and revs they instead have to be constantly braking and accelerating, much quieter obviously and of course better for the environment.

I have a solution for traffic lights. At quiet times, e.g. 9pm-6am most places, most junctions with traffic lights would alter the signals so instead of red/amber/green they have a flashing amber much like at pedestrian crossings when the driver can proceed if safe to do so but to watch out for pedestrians (in this case, cars).

I have a similar solution for 70mph speed limits on empty motorways that's equally unlikely to be implemented :p
 
They do that in some places in Europe. Makes sense.

Whilst were moaning about traffic lights...what is it with these ridiculously bright green traffic lights? Theres a pedestrian crossing near me that has them and is in an area with no street lights, and as you are drivivng toward it you cant see anything becuase the green light is glaringly bright.

I can understand it with red/amber because you are stopping anyway, but with hugely bright green lights you end up having to slow right down anyway becuase you cant see beyond the crossing, or if theres a pedestrian stepping out
 
Not come across these blinding pedestrian crossing lights yet, obviously haven't made their way up north thus far!

The other issue with these frustrating lights is the number of people jumping them has increased (only at the start, i.e. they turn orange then red then someone shoots through) which is obviously far more dangerous.
 
Eugh, driving into the centre of Birmingham is like this. I drop my gf off at work at 8am on Sunday - unsurprisingly the roads are deserted at that time of day. Of course that doesn't mean I don't have to stop and wait for 1+ min at each of the 8 odd sets of traffic lights I need to pass through, even though there's no traffic coming from any other direction. In fact there's one set which is about a 5 minute wait, and of course they are all sequenced so that you have to stop at every single one.

I could understand it if they were old lights and when they were installed they didn't have the ability to sense traffic or change the timing depending on time of day, but they've only been there a year or 2!!

It takes 15 mins to drive the 6 miles from home to near centre, and a further 15 mins to do the last 1/4 mile loop!

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I don't know about that but the light priorities at the cross roads down the road really get my back up. If you come from the bottom side the perpendicular road will be green as thats the main road, fine. You can be waiting a minute at the red, then a car pulls up opposite, waits for 5 seconds then they get to go first (it is filtered). They are IR triggered and you used to be able to flash it from 100m away and it would be green by the time you got there but they stopped that trick from working.
 
Traffic lights are becoming way more prolific, even in places where roundabouts would be way more suitable.

They are the worst way of dealing with traffic at junctions imho.
 
Every time they build another housing estate in Stratford upon Avon, they stick more lights on the Birmingham road to allow the residents to get out. Nice for them, but it takes a ridiculous amount of time to get through Stratford now.
 
Every time they build another housing estate in Stratford upon Avon, they stick more lights on the Birmingham road to allow the residents to get out. Nice for them, but it takes a ridiculous amount of time to get through Stratford now.

I hate this! They always seem to prioritise the traffic leaving the estate too. Theres a set near me I drive through every day on my commute, and a whole line of traffic on the main road is brought to a halt to let one car leave the estate :/
 
Signals these days are remarkably clever.*The traffic signals in any large town or city will be controlled by a SCOOT controller. These signals all talk to each other to ensure all the signals operate efficiently together to allow the primary routes in the city to flow as well as possible. (I.e. green followed by green followed by green then one red, repeat as you head out of town). The whole route of a town will be managed. You obviously can't dynamically manage roundabouts or priority junctions.*

Traffic signals allow pedestrians to cross better than roundabouts, and are more likely to be considered if there is an accident trend at this junction involving peds. This is of rising importance as ped subways slip out of favour.*

Traffic signals are considered when there is a relevant vehicle accident trend (side swipes, false starts being rear ended) as they are generally safer on th basis that they remove the decision whether to go or not.*

They can gave slightly higher capacity during peak hours because of this removal of 'thinking time'.*

Roundabouts are not effective if vehicle flows on each arm are nor equal-ish. You may well find the predominant turning movement at a roundabout blocking off other arms. Signals allow smaller arms to a chance to flow as required (see detector loop below).*

Modern signls use detection loops to detect if there is a vehicle queuing at the signal head and also at the back of the queue. During peak hours, if the signal detects a vehicle on this rear detector it thinks 'right I'm running out of queue space, it's my turn to be green next'. This either completely informs or overrides the signal timings (i.e. its pattern or sequence). During non peak hours it will have different timings as the predominant turning manoeuvres will change and the rear detector will not come into play. During the night it may operate on an all red basis- when a vehicle arrive at the first detection loop of any arm it will put that arm straight to green and then back to red when the vehicle has gone.*

Traffic signals need much less land than a comparitive roundabout. This is usually the first and final issue when considering a comparitive roundabout

Traffic lights are cyclist friendly and in some cases incorporate advance cycle stop lines. Traditional British Roundabouts are not.

Yes they're not perfect- some signals will not have great off peak timings or too long 'intergreen' timings but when used appropriately and designed well (and with modern signal equipment) they do theirjob well. The chances are that in many cities, the large junctions are all going to be over capacity and nothing you can do in the available land will have enough capacity. The signals just manage the available capacity as well as possible.

Hopefully this has been at least slightly interesting!
 
Commenting specifically on the light sequencing in my town centre, I would say the lights are totally out of phase with one another making travel through the one-way system very disjointed. If there is any system behind it I would imagine it's operated by a blind monkey with a wasp in its ear.

Amazingly enough on those occasions where the lights fail and drivers are left to their own devices the traffic flows much more smoothly.
 
we've had a busy roundabout recently converted to about 4 sets of traffic lights (just on the roundabout) and I don't get why they can't go green-green-green-green. Instead you wait at the first for green, then before you get there the next is changing to red. Whats the ****ing point?
 
3 sets of traffic lights in town, about 5s between the first 2 and 10s to the next, never get through the last 2 in 1 go.

Getting out of the city is a major pain too, 3 main roads that diverge onto 1 roundabout and 2 sets of traffic lights on it, so not only is everyone fighting for a place to get on, when the lights turn red it only adds to the traffic on the right which queues on the roundabout, so when your light turns green you have to wait for all that traffic to move and in the end there is about a 5s window for cars to get on. And when you get on there is a double set of lights when you get off.
 
We have millions of lights in Bath.
They actually cause the jams rather than solving them, as our benevolent council highways department don't seem to understand the concept of sychronisation...
I love this city, but the roads are terrible. Kinda glad I don't drive!
 
Hopefully this has been at least slightly interesting!

It was certainly informative, I didn't realize the different sets of lights talked to each other.

I've reached the conclusion that its far quicker for me to cycle into and out of work and I arrived far less frustrated by the number of red lights and speed bumps on the way
 

That's how I guessed they work, but still doesn't explain why they've set up the lights so it takes as long for me to exit the city centre at 8am on a Sunday as it does at 6pm on a weekday :p

We have millions of lights in Bath.
They actually cause the jams rather than solving them, as our benevolent council highways department don't seem to understand the concept of sychronisation...
I love this city, but the roads are terrible. Kinda glad I don't drive!

Isn't that just the one way systems and bus gate? :p
 
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