What Ryzen CPU for 1440p 60fps gaming?

Kraaz

Kraaz

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Hi guys, been a lurker for a while and whilst I can usually find the info I want from other topics, I am stumped currently.

My current CPU is a i5-6400 2.7 4c/4t, and has gotten to the point of stuttering in a lot of games I play, as it's getting maxed out or it's lacking the cores/threads needed for modern games. Particulary RE.Engine games.

I'm planning to do an almost whole system upgrade, and have planned all the parts (I.e 16gb DDR4-3000, MSI Tomahawk B450 etc) excluding the GPU as I am happy with my current GTX1070, which does great even with my weak CPU.

I was planning to go with the Ryzen 2600 to rectify the ancient CPU problems i'm having, but with the new 3000 Ryzens coming sometime in Summer i'm a bit undecided now. At 1440p, at only 60fps, will the new CPU's be worth waiting for? As well as the initial higher cost? There is zero chance of me playing at anything higher than 1440p 60fps as the monitor is fairly new due to an old one breaking. I would't want to spend a premium for gains that I will never see at 1440p and 60fps.

The other thing is budget. I don't want (well, can't lol) spend more than £400 for my motherboard, CPU and RAM combined. The plan is also to not chage the CPU for AT LEAST 3 years. Regardless of route taken.

Many thanks in advance for any advice or help given. I'm proper concerned about messing up an expensive decision. Also apolgies if anything I said is rubbish. I know basics and general rules of thumb, but thats about it :D
 
@Kraaz

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/devil_may_cry_5_pc_performance_review/7

intel 4 core 8 threads sees a nice increase over your current 4 core 4 threads.

Latest Intel 6 cores doen't see as much progression as ryzen though! but 6 core 12 Thread is still matched by older 4 core i7's, and would be beat once they are clocked to 4.4ghz plus.

a 1440p, load is placed more on GPU, but games like above and other well coded games do see benifits from more cores!

DX12 is meant to add Multithreads and again actually makes intel i7 4 core/8 thread PCUs really good but your 4 core 4 thread isn't helped at all

if your able to hold out then Ryzen 3000 in July , £120 mobo, £90 ram and £300 a chip ( high end)

intel side of things and upgrading now, 9600k and clock to 5ghz

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £501.38 (includes shipping: £10.50)


RE2 isn't effected as much as DMC oddly

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/resident_evil_2_remake_pc_performance_review/6​
 
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I opted to go for the Ryzen 2600 and I’m pretty happy with it, paired with a Vega 56! Can pretty much run any game on decently high settings at 1440p. With decent aftermarket coolers you can usually reach ~4.1GHz if overclocking is something that would interest you. Personally, the CPU, motherboard and RAM combo I got ended up costing £380 and I can run RE2 at max on 1440p and hit a consistent 80fps (the Vega 56 and GTX 1070 perform pretty similarly)
 
Thanks for the replies :) How odd, i have had awful issues on RE2 with my current CPU. From what i had read it doesn't like CPUs with 4c/4t. But DMC5 is pretty good. It still has issues, but instead of stutters, it just loses some fps. Stuttering is the devil, drives me insane lol. I am planning to move away from intel as I am drawn to the upgrade paths of AM4! :)

How do AMD do CPU releases? Do they release all models at the same time? Or is it staggered like GPU releases? As in flagships first, then mid range stuff a few months later? If I waited for Ryzen 3600 instead of the 2600, is that likely a chip to be available earlier than later? I haven't followed CPU release habits before now so not sure how they work! :D
 
Plec said:
You realise you didn't add a caveat to that statement - i'll hold you to that @orbitalwalsh :D (although it's probably spot in if there aren't any earthquakes near memory production)
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haha , all it takes is one trade agreement to fail, a natural disaster or more commonly, epic wafer fail! how ram chips shot up in the first place, demend started to get high and somehow TONS of the stuff gets scrapped in end of 2016 i believe it was :D


Kraaz said:
Thanks for the replies :) How odd, i have had awful issues on RE2 with my current CPU. From what i had read it doesn't like CPUs with 4c/4t. But DMC5 is pretty good. It still has issues, but instead of stutters, it just loses some fps. Stuttering is the devil, drives me insane lol. I am planning to move away from intel as I am drawn to the upgrade paths of AM4! :)

How do AMD do CPU releases? Do they release all models at the same time? Or is it staggered like GPU releases? As in flagships first, then mid range stuff a few months later? If I waited for Ryzen 3600 instead of the 2600, is that likely a chip to be available earlier than later? I haven't followed CPU release habits before now so not sure how they work! :D
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Denovo really hit lower thread count and slower cores =/

Boards will be flagship X570 first, AMD slightly knee cap board vendors by allowing middle tier board chipsets to overclock as well (b350,B450 > B550). X570 will be a lot like Z390 but MORE VRM and PCIe 4.0

hopefully AMD following Intel with more controllers being based on the chipset, boards will be down in cost. AKA Z370 and X470 vs Z390 board pricing

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-zen-2-cpu-msi-meg-x570-creation-motherboard-spotted/
 
Kraaz said:
Thanks for the replies :) How odd, i have had awful issues on RE2 with my current CPU. From what i had read it doesn't like CPUs with 4c/4t. But DMC5 is pretty good. It still has issues, but instead of stutters, it just loses some fps. Stuttering is the devil, drives me insane lol. I am planning to move away from intel as I am drawn to the upgrade paths of AM4! :)

How do AMD do CPU releases? Do they release all models at the same time? Or is it staggered like GPU releases? As in flagships first, then mid range stuff a few months later? If I waited for Ryzen 3600 instead of the 2600, is that likely a chip to be available earlier than later? I haven't followed CPU release habits before now so not sure how they work! :D
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In terms of the 1000 series, the Ryzen 7’s were released first in March of 2017, followed by the 5’s in April and then the 3’s in July. For the 2000 series the 5 and 7 were released on the same day (April 19th 2018)
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Denovo really hit lower thread count and slower cores =/

Boards will be flagship X570 first, AMD slightly knee cap board vendors by allowing middle tier board chipsets to overclock as well (b350,B450 > B550). X570 will be a lot like Z390 but MORE VRM and PCIe 4.0

hopefully AMD following Intel with more controllers being based on the chipset, boards will be down in cost. AKA Z370 and X470 vs Z390 board pricing

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-zen-2-cpu-msi-meg-x570-creation-motherboard-spotted/
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Literally the only way to stop it stuttering for me was a 30fps lock whilst pushing the graphics to absolute max plus super sampling to put everything on the GPU whilst reducing the CPU load enough! That seems massively counter productive, but putting the game on ultra low settings, 640x480 made the stutters worse as the CPU would be getting pushed even harder. It was so annyoing as it was running 60fps all the time at normal high settings 1440p apart from the stutters every time you changed rooms :(

On the subject of the new boards, I assume they will still work with normal DDR4 ram and the such? I heard something about DDR5 being the new standard on the new boards? (I have been reading too much reddit lol)


oDannyR said:
In terms of the 1000 series, the Ryzen 7’s were released first in March of 2017, followed by the 5’s in April and then the 3’s in July. For the 2000 series the 5 and 7 were released on the same day (April 19th 2018)
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Ah I so hope its the latter! But even if it's the former a month between isn't too bad. The reason for timings being an issue is I was hoping to build the PC by my birthday in August, as I need something to take my mind off of being old! :D
 
Kraaz said:
Ah I so hope its the latter! But even if it's the former a month between isn't too bad. The reason for timings being an issue is I was hoping to build the PC by by birthday in August, as I need something to take my mind of being old! :D
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According to “leaks”, they’re apparently looking at a July 7th release date (since the new chips are 7nm - 7nm chip released on the 7th day of the 7th month :cool:) but I wouldn’t see that being likely as July 7th is a Sunday, so not totally sure.. I’m sure they’ll release more info at Computex which is May 28th - June 1st. There’s no exact date of when AMD’s presentation will be, but I can imagine it will be sometime towards the start of Computex.
 
yep- lot of take about AMD being future gen compatible... it is, but DDR5 stops it from being longer then it could have been, also ddr4 was out 2014 .
time will also tell is Ryzen 4000 is a refresh like ryzen 2000 was (with a small node shrink but with 14nm design ) being 7nm+ EUV or have more design tweaks to make it as it's stated as Zen3 .

@oDannyR

https://www.computextaipei.com.tw/

you'll see the boards there, fingres crossed plan is still in effect , then July sale
 
orbitalwalsh said:
https://www.computextaipei.com.tw/

you'll see the boards there, fingres crossed plan is still in effect , then July sale
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Also hoping for this! I only just put my build together in the middle of March, but if there are significant improvements then I will most likely upgrade. Love the fact they are making it backwards compatible to potentially save having to get a new motherboard.
 
Kraaz said:
The other thing is budget. I don't want (well, can't lol) spend more than £400 for my motherboard, CPU and RAM combined. The plan is also to not chage the CPU for AT LEAST 3 years. Regardless of route taken.
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At summer you should be getting 9900K level processing power for like fair £200, which would keep PC going for long time.

For a long time waiting for new release has never been worth, because of very incremental improvement in bang per buck.
(or zero improvements like with NVidia)
But like first Ryzens, Zen2 Ryzens are likely going to be another exception to that.
 
Any 6/8 core you get now will last a while .
Heck DX12 makes i7 K chips even better ! Still no need to upgrade them with games like DMC5 and even wow DX22 match giving them 20% performance increase. DX12 is a funny thing .

See a lot of future consoles will use 8 core zens so games will take advantage... Well they are currently using slower 8 core x86 CPUs now anyways. It's the porting of console games to PC that is aweful . Do t think much will change in future .

Like a lot of others, will happily choose a 6/8 core ryzen that can hit 5ghz all cores cheaper then intel, over a 12/16 core ryzen that will eat watts to hit 4.5ghz and over
 
Thanks for all the infomation guys! :) I guess I am still best off going for Zen 2 then by the looks of it, if it's probably going to be that much of a boost for the money. Especially as I want it to last as long as possible (unlike GPU's which I change every other year lol)

Glad DDR4 will work on the new boards as well, because I keep seeing good deals on 3000/3200mhz RAM that I could pick up ahead of time, and I imagine DDR5 will come at a premium?

In the meantime I will delve into my steam backlog and play all the PS3/360 gen games I have picked up over the years that my CPU certainly wont complain about :D
 
Kraaz said:
Glad DDR4 will work on the new boards as well, because I keep seeing good deals on 3000/3200mhz RAM that I could pick up ahead of time, and I imagine DDR5 will come at a premium?
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DDR5 is no doubt going to have hefty premium for some time with greedyness of DRAM makers.
Though we don't have to worry about that until JEDEC's committee finally gets official specification ready.
That's still "in a phase" (using Finnish idiom vaiheessa) and I guess it was originally supposed to be ready in 2016, just like Intel's 10nm manufacturing node.
 
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