What to buy today please? 7950x and Hynix RAM overclocking

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I know some just ask without ever researching but I think I've done too much of the opposite. I've read so much I'm now getting confused by conflicing advice.

Need to buy a mobo and RAM tomorrow (Sunday 31st) for a 7950x watercooled system and I'll be looking to overclock (for music production so want it fast single core preference and low RAM latencies tuned)

RAM - from research I've done I think for RAM I be lookign at a 6000/30 to ensure Hynix A/M die so something like this...?

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will be running one stick per channel.

MOBO (x670) -

I've totally confused myself, as everything I read suggests something else. A lot of big boys use Aorus Master but that's perhaps a little dear (although doable if it's needed). Then I've read that for overclocking RAM ideally Asus and MSI >> Gigabyte... so... not sure now. Hoping to 7950x as much as reasonably possible. I see some suggest ASUS Strix E or F or hero versions,... ?

Any suggestions here for decetn mobo to oc RAM and CPU optimally but ideally keep costs down if possible?
 
If you're using the system for business, do not overclock.

Frankly there's little to be gained with modern systems in the OC department in relation to the CPU, for work use your goal should be stability above all else. It takes a good chunk of time to see legitimate benefits from OC'ing when looking for a work based system, and they wont be large in your case anyway. Ram might be, but again we need proper metrics to assess.

When you say water cooled, do you mean a custom setup or an AIO?

What applications do you use for your production? I assume the software is heavily multi-threaded, but still benefits from high core clocks? That's a bit of a rarity which is why I ask, are you sure you need a 7950?
 
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Gray2233 said:
If you're using the system for business, do not overclock.

Frankly there's little to be gained with modern systems in the OC department in relation to the CPU, for work use your goal should be stability above all else. It takes a good chunk of time to see legitimate benefits from OC'ing when looking for a work based system, and they wont be large in your case anyway. Ram might be, but again we need proper metrics to assess.

When you say water cooled, do you mean a custom setup or an AIO?

What applications do you use for your production? I assume the software is heavily multi-threaded, but still benefits from high core clocks? That's a bit of a rarity which is why I ask, are you sure you need a 7950?
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It's not for business thankfully. Hobbyist home studio musician. I've seen vids where they get the 7950x up to 5.95GHz which seems pretty cool. I've always overclocked my CPUs but have left my 5950x stock. Interested in getting more beef from it.

Watercooled I mean a custom loop, will be building with a MORA 360 external rad.

Already got 7950x on the way and yes absolutely 5950x is too slow now. I use Ableton Live for music production and a whole host of apps within it, which are very cpu intensive. It uses multi cores. But also benefits from single core speed as the main track can bottleneck the whole thing. If it wasn't for music production I wouldn't care, but this stuff is insanely CPU hungry. I also game too, but that's less of a concern. Will be looking out for zen 5 or Arrowlake hopefully around Xmas but for now building a 7950x so when 8950x drops I can swap it out. Unless Arrowlake wins with acceptable heat (14900k is just too hot) in which case I'll switch over.
 
Buildzoid's channel can definitely give you some ideas of boards and memory to choose, but I have to ask, how many of those overclockers you saw run their PC overclocked 24/7?

My impression is that with the excessive turbo clocks that all CPUs have "out of the box", it is really just a hobby where they chase numbers nowadays, while their 24/7 system is actually undervolted and/or power limited.

If a 7950X is too slow for you, I doubt overclocking is going to help much to compensate for that and you should be looking at a HEDT system like threadripper rather than buying an overclocking board like the Apex.
 
My 7950x is stock and i can see boost clocks as hight as 5.83ghz, temps do shootup even on custom loop (around 91c), normally see around 5.3.5.45ghz in most games i play decent temps (65-73c), modern chips dont really need to be overclocked what you gain in speed you loose out with heat and and extra voltage, there is a very small line if you cross it performance will drop.

zen4 does very well with undervolting, if you can keep them cool enough they will boost really high, but again after a certain point with temp you'll see a regression on clocks the higher temp you go. Same for volatge too low and clocks will drop or you'll start crashing.

or as tetras above, look at HEDT platform, latest gen threadrippers are crazy quick, no need to ever overclock those, they have crazy amounts of cores which will eat up even the most demanding programs! (7970x and up)
 
Fair points thanks.

But back to original Q if anyone can advise re: decent x670e mobo or RAM for OCing would be appreciated thanks.
 
wookiee87 said:
My 7950x is stock and i can see boost clocks as hight as 5.83ghz, temps do shootup even on custom loop (around 91c), normally see around 5.3.5.45ghz in most games i play decent temps (65-73c), modern chips dont really need to be overclocked what you gain in speed you loose out with heat and and extra voltage, there is a very small line if you cross it performance will drop.

zen4 does very well with undervolting, if you can keep them cool enough they will boost really high, but again after a certain point with temp you'll see a regression on clocks the higher temp you go. Same for volatge too low and clocks will drop or you'll start crashing.

or as tetras above, look at HEDT platform, latest gen threadrippers are crazy quick, no need to ever overclock those, they have crazy amounts of cores which will eat up even the most demanding programs! (7970x and up)
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Thx - happy with your ASUS Hero? Tuned your RAM on it?
 
For me, it was between the ASUS X670E Hero and ASUS B650E-E STRIX mainboards. I went with an ASUS B650E-E STRIX as its half the price and has everything I needed. For RAM, I would get a (2*32) 6400 kit (CTCED564G6400HC34BDC01).
 
FredFlint said:
For me, it was between the ASUS X670E Hero and ASUS B650E-E STRIX mainboards. I went with an ASUS B650E-E STRIX as its half the price and has everything I needed. For RAM, I would get a (2*32) 6400 kit (CTCED564G6400HC34BDC01).
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Thansk mate, any reason those and not cheaper Asus mobos or other brands? You more likely to get stable OCs with those boards?

That RAM - is it hynix A or M die do you know?
 
samion said:
Thansk mate, any reason those and not cheaper Asus mobos or other brands? You more likely to get stable OCs with those boards?

That RAM - is it hynix A or M die do you know?
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I use my PC for work so don’t OC. My last 3-4 Board have been ASUS so went with ASUS. I got the ASUS B650E-E STRIX as it seems to have most of the high-end features at the best value, it’s now ~£65 cheaper than when I got it. The ASUS B650E-F also looks like a good option. I don’t know if the RAM is A or M, probably A though.
 
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I use my PC for work so don’t OC. My last 3-4 Board have been ASUS so went with ASUS. I got the ASUS B650E-E STRIX as it seems to have most of the high-end features at the best value, it’s now ~£65 cheaper than when I got it. The ASUS B650E-F also looks like a good option. I don’t know if the RAM is A or M, probably A though.
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Thanks mate, I mean it's defo hynix though?

I'm a noob with mem overclocking will be following guides. I just understand that for zen4 6000 is the sweetspot usually and so if I get that RAM and it's 6400 can I reduce the speed and latency to 6000/30 (I knwo there are more important secondary timings of course). I mean, is that better than a 6000/30 which from what I read is pretty much guaranteed to be Hynix too?
 
samion said:
Thanks mate, I mean it's defo hynix though?

I'm a noob with mem overclocking will be following guides. I just understand that for zen4 6000 is the sweetspot usually and so if I get that RAM and it's 6400 can I reduce the speed and latency to 6000/30 (I knwo there are more important secondary timings of course). I mean, is that better than a 6000/30 which from what I read is pretty much guaranteed to be Hynix too?
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There is no guarantee it will run at 6400 CL34 but it will have been binned to run at that on a test system so it will probably (95% chance) be good Hynix A. Chances are you could set the XMP and if you have issues just drop it to 6200/6000 but it depends on the quality of CPU’s memory controller as well. I don’t think overclocking is worth the time and effort, so I don’t bother. That said, if you plan to upgrade to Zen 5, that might support faster RAM so getting faster RAM now for similar money might work out. The G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo EXPO 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz kit is probably the safest bet and it has EXPO but it costs more than a 6400 kit.
 
FredFlint said:
There is no guarantee it will run at 6400 CL34 but it will have been binned to run at that on a test system so it will probably (95% chance) be good Hynix A. Chances are you could set the XMP and if you have issues just drop it to 6200/6000 but it depends on the quality of CPU’s memory controller as well. I don’t think overclocking is worth the time and effort, so I don’t bother. That said, if you plan to upgrade to Zen 5, that might support faster RAM so getting faster RAM now for similar money might work out. The G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo EXPO 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz kit is probably the safest bet and it has EXPO but it costs more than a 6400 kit.
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Very helpful thank you mate. Yes good idea as I will be upgrading to zen5 first opportunity in a few months time.

OCing is crucial for audio work, or at least sorting out the memory timings and latency is.

Just to clarifyu though - have you checked the s/n on the ram you bought or checked cpuid or whatever to see that it defo is hynix? If so, and if it is reducible down to 6000 speed I'll buy that one (won't hold you to it thoguh of course- I know stock can change)
 
samion said:
Very helpful thank you mate. Yes good idea as I will be upgrading to zen5 first opportunity in a few months time.

OCing is crucial for audio work, or at least sorting out the memory timings and latency is.

Just to clarifyu though - have you checked the s/n on the ram you bought or checked cpuid or whatever to see that it defo is hynix? If so, and if it is reducible down to 6000 speed I'll buy that one (won't hold you to it thoguh of course- I know stock can change)
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I don’t have that RAM, been thinking of upgrading to that. I got my RAM over a year ago when the fastest RAM was 6000 and it cost 50% more. I got a 32GB 5600 kit just to wait for a good 64/96GB kit to replace it with.
 
FredFlint said:
I don’t have that RAM, been thinking of upgrading to that. I got my RAM over a year ago when the fastest RAM was 6000 and it cost 50% more. I got a 32GB 5600 kit just to wait for a good 64/96GB kit to replace it with.
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Thx mate. I'll buy RAM I know is hynix A for now and if/when I upgrade to Zen5 I'll re-buy RAM if I need to. I may end up going Arrow Lake anyway if it beats the pants off AMD which it looks like it might well do.
 
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