What to expect from AMD on October 8th?

[Rikmeister]

The 8th is the date when AMD are supposedly releasing (or at least announcing) their Zen 3 CPUs. I've seen so many rumours my head is spinning.

Besides with Nvidia's shenanigans with the 3080 launch I'm wondering what AMD will come out with Re the Zen 3 CPUs.

So if you think your able to read the runes I'd love to hear what you think will happen.

 

[Rikmeister]

I think it's likely that we'll see AMD release something that matches or beats the 3070 for less money while offering more VRAM. I'm not really expecting them to beat the 3080 out of the gate, although I'd be very happy to be proven wrong and see them release something faster than the 3080.

As long as they can offer a competent well priced card capable of 4K I think they'll do well.

Thanks Gray2233. I realise my question went on more about the GPUs than CPUs so I've edited it to make it clearer. However, I'm also iterested in what will happen with AMDs big navi Vs Nvidia's 30x0 GPUs.

 

[Rikmeister]

CPU wise I think most are expecting around a 15% performance gain depending on task

If there's a, say, 5600 replacing the 3600 offering 15% more performance at the same price then I'd say that's a result.

 

[Rikmeister]

I'm guessing you are more talking about what will happen as in, will we get Zen 3 CPUs on the 8th Oct?

Yes, that.

But also will AMD release the whole range or selected CPUs? Will the new processors be priced the same as their 3x00 equivalent? What will availablity be?

 

[Rikmeister]

...for Intel, that is.

Seems like Intel is nowhere. AMD are competing against themselves.

 

[Rikmeister]

AMD won't miss a change to put prices up. It's not like they haven't done it in the past.

This is what businesses do, isn't it? To be fair, while I wish they wouldn't, why shouldn't they? Right now it's not like Intel's competition is putting AMD under any pressure.

 

[Rikmeister]

The hype-train is building up steam now

But will it live up to the hype?

 

[Rikmeister]

What's more interesting is the huge performance jump folk with 6 year or older systems will see. They'll have seen a huge jump going to Zen 2 anyway, this just makes it better. This is a good time to update an old system with a really solid, tried and tested platform that'll last year's - and allow the early (expensive, flaky) DDR5 etc stuff to be skipped.

Do you think most people skip a generation?

As you say, the next gen (AM5?) will likely introduce a lot of new technology - a new CPU range, chipsets, DDR5, USB 4... could be a lot of teething problems and incompatabilities before it all settles down. And, as you pointed out, likely to be expensive.

 

[Rikmeister]

With CPUs it's been quite normal to skip 3-5 generations. Each bringing fairly miniscule improvements, until recently.

So, a generation for AMD recently has been around 12 to 18 months?

 

[Rikmeister]

No one knows the actual launch date yet, I’d imagine it will be announced tomorrow as well.

Well, not much longer to find out.... unless their announcement is, "we'll let you know".

 

[Rikmeister]

The zen 3 cpus that will be announced today are “rumoured” to be available on 20th Oct.

That will give them the best part of two weeks to make stocks available to buyers. Hope it's enough time to avoid a Nvidia style debacle.

 

[Rikmeister]

Reviews as opposed to reveal.

One of the resaons the CPU launch precedes the GPU lauch supposedly is that current AMD CPUs would bottleneck the GPUs, i.e. AMD want reviewers to use the new gen of CPUs when they review RDNA. Could be right, could be wrong - time will tell.

 

[Rikmeister]

5000 series
19% IPC increase across the board
Improved cache design. 2X L3 cache
24% power efficiency

5900X 105W 4.8GHz $549
Claiming 26% improvement across a range of games
Cinebanch score 631

5800X 8 core 16 thread $449
5600X 6 core 8 thread $299

5950X 16 cores 32 thread 4.9 GHz Boost 72MB L2+L3 cache $799
One processer to rule them all

Available Nov 5th

 

[Rikmeister]

Such a tease...

Didn't look very impressive. May be trying to manage expectations

 

[Rikmeister]

Bit of a letdown on the cpu front from what I was hoping to see.

Trying to guague reactions, the most common reponse so far as I can tell is people were generally very positive up until the prices were announced. The 5600X is about a third more than the 3600X.

 

[Rikmeister]

And remember, the Zen 2 chips still exist - with some very nice cash back deals (MSI).

What are these cashback deals you talk of?

 

[Rikmeister]

I don’t think the Navi cards will be available on launch day or announcement date. Everyone though 8th Oct was zen3 launch but it is just an announcement. Similar will be for Navi. No idea when they gonna be making those cards available...but mid-Nov seems about the right time to land to reap the sales season etc

Originally I thought the 8th was the announcement date but so many people said it was the lauch date I began to believe it.

Recently I've been hearing that the actual launch date would be the 20th, however AMD were keen to not make the mistakes Nvidia did so pushed back the launch to 5th Nov to give themselves more time to build up stocks.

 

[Rikmeister]

Here:

https://uk.msi.com/Promotion/back-to-school-2020

But I believe you have to buy Mobo and CPU in same transaction - Check the Ts&Cs carefully

Thanks. ASUS are also doing a cashback. £25 on their stuff via https://rate-my-gear.sales-promotions.com/

 

[Rikmeister]

Apart from the IPC increase the unified cache could be very significant

 

[Rikmeister]

With only 4 CPUs announced and the Ryzen 5 5600X @ $299 it seems to me likely that AMD will at some stage announce lower priced Ryzen 3 CPUs.