What's the 'Hyper Evo 212' of AM4 Ryzen?

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OzzyOscy

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As in usually recommended, high value, cheap (it was £25 I think), quiet and does a helluva job.

(Yes other than the actual new Hyper Evo 212 haha.)

I know 212 has a lone AM4 bracket / brace upgrade, but good luck trying to find one.
 
Out of what's currently in stock on OCUK?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £29.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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You'll be hard pressed to beat this, I've used a couple and they're fantastic for the price. Absolutely silent and excellent cooling performance.

It is a little tall with the fans fitted mind you, so check it'll fit in your case before buying.
 
Brocken is a good low cost cooler, but PCGH Edition fans are only 700rpm max speed, barely above idle speed of most cooler fans. Sadly the normal Brocken is out of stock.
Cryorig H7 is good for $34.99 and has AM4 mount.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-h7-single-tower-heatsink-with-120mm-fan-hs-008-cy.html
Silverstone Argon SST-AR01-V3 for £32.99 and has AM4 mount.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/silverstone-argon-sst-ar01-v3-cpu-cooler-120mm-hs-03f-sv.html
Alpenfohn Ben Nevis is £25.99 and has AM4 mount
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alpenfohn-ben-nevis-advanced-cpu-cooler-130mm-hs-058-al.html

I would get Cryorig H7.
 
Fan speed isn't everything, heatpipes and other factors need to be taken into consideration.

The versions I own are the PCGH, which of course comes with two fans rather than the one of the normal version. The cooling is exceptional, I ran P95 last night on a 1600 AF with an all core OC of 4.1ghz and the max temp was 42c with the Brocken 2 after 30 minutes.

I'd skip the H7 entirely, it's too close in price to the likes of the Mugen 5 and Shadow Rock 3.
 
Gray2233 said:
Fan speed isn't everything, heatpipes and other factors need to be taken into consideration.

The versions I own are the PCGH, which of course comes with two fans rather than the one of the normal version. The cooling is exceptional, I ran P95 last night on a 1600 AF with an all core OC of 4.1ghz and the max temp was 42c with the Brocken 2 after 30 minutes.

I'd skip the H7 entirely, it's too close in price to the likes of the Mugen 5 and Shadow Rock 3.
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Of course fan speed isn't everything. But it's a significant part cooling performance. A fan that moves 28-031cfm at 700rpm move 60cfm at 55-60cfm at 1200rpm.

Below is test results of Alpenfohn Ben Nevis on i7-4960X Extreme Edition @ 4.0 GHz ambient 21c. Still want to say fan speed doesn't make a difference?
700rpm = 65 ° C
900rpm = 63 ° C
1200rpm = 60 ° C
1500rpm = 57 ° C​

Below is Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power, TRUE Copper and NH-D14 with 2x fan at 640rpm, 1200rpm and 2500rpm delta temps on i7 @ 4.2GHz. Air entering cooler was 21-24c open test station.
Cooler . . . . . . . . . . . 640rpm . 1200rpm . 2500rpm
TRUE Copper . . . . . . . 65.3c . . . 54.3c . . 47.2c
TRUE Spirit 140 Power . 59.4c . . . 52.55c . 43.25c
NH-D14 . . . . . . . . . . . 59.65c . . 54.55c . 46.3c​

I understand this is much higher wattage CPU, but still we can see a big difference. With 2x fans at 640rpm temps are 10c, 6.85c & 5.10c higher than at 1200rpm respectively. At 2500rpm temps are even lower, but as that's excessively loud to most users so not important.

Mugen 5 is about 5c cooler, but at £42.95 it's hardly "close in price" to £34.99 price of H7 .. that's £7.75 higher priced but out here on OcUK.

H7 is within a couple degrees of Shadow Rock 3 and costs £8.00 lower priced, also out of stock so OP can't get it here on OcUK.
 
doyll said:
Still want to say fan speed doesn't make a difference?
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I never said that, why try to put words into my mouth? You literally respond directly to what I said (aka, it isn't everything) and then in the next sentence totally misrepresent my statement.

doyll said:
Mugen 5 is about 5c cooler, but at £42.95 it's hardly "close in price" to £34.99 price of H7 .. that's £7.75 higher priced but out here on OcUK
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Yet your recommendation is £10 more than the £25 the OP was talking about, I suppose that's irrelevant though? We'll have to agree to disagree on price difference being large at less than a tenner, as stated it's something I'd have thought you'd agree with.

Can faster fans make a difference? Absolutely, but whether or not it's necessary for more than adequate cooling is another thing entirely. Unless the OP intends to use the item for a 3950X I don't think a couple of slow (aka quiet/silent) fans on a Brocken 2 is going to be a problem. I'd also love to see a proper test between the Brocken 2 and the H7, I know where my money would be going.

I wouldn't mind some links to the reviews you're talking about by the way, the reviews I'm looking at place the Shadow Rock 3 a good deal ahead of the H7 on OC'd hardware under stress. Although I'm unsure as to their test parameters or how much the environment differed between each test.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/be-quiet-shadow-rock-3/6.html
 
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Gray2233 said:
I never said that, why try to put words into my mouth? You literally respond directly to what I said (aka, it isn't everything) and then in the next sentence totally misrepresent my statement.



Yet your recommendation is £10 more than the £25 the OP was talking about, I suppose that's irrelevant though? We'll have to agree to disagree on price difference being large at less than a tenner, as stated it's something I'd have thought you'd agree with.

Can faster fans make a difference? Absolutely, but whether or not it's necessary for more than adequate cooling is another thing entirely. Unless the OP intends to use the item for a 3950X I don' think a couple of slow (aka quiet/silent) fans on a Brocken 2 is going to be a problem.
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True, but your "Fan speed isn't everything" was also an un-needed statement. But I appologize for throwing it back like I did.

As for £10 quid more, it's much closer to £25 than your even higher priced suggestions at £17.50-18.00 more than £25 .. and not even in stock.

In my experience case and cooler fans need to be idle down to about 500-600rpm and spin up to about 1200-1500rpm. While they rarely go above 950-1150rpm, there are times like super hot summer weather when filters are dirty when even 1150rpm is not enough when running heavy load applications. If you never run heavy load you obviously won't need higher fan speed., but most users I know need fans faster than 700rpm maximum speed.

I suppose OccyOscy could go with Brocken PCGH, but I suspect high probability that later this summer temps will be at levels 700rpm fan will not be fast enoguh to keep CPU cool and will need replaced with higher CFM fan. I assume you know but in case OccyOscy doesn't, fans in push/pull on a cooler or radiator doesn't increase airflow much if any more than a single fan flows through a cooler. Only thing stacking does in increase noise by 3dB and static pressure rating, and higher static pressure rating mean more ability to overcome resistance like fancy case grills and filters. But stacking one fan onto another if both sping same direction doesn't work. Fans need to spin opposite directions or have airflow straightenen between .. cooler or radiator act as airflow straightener.
 
doyll said:
True, but your "Fan speed isn't everything" was also an un-needed statement. But I appologize for throwing it back like I did.
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Appreciate it, I wasn't trying to have a dig at you in my earlier response mind.

doyll said:
As for £10 quid more, it's much closer to £25 than your even higher priced suggestions at £17.50-18.00 more than £25 .. and not even in stock.
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True. I was focusing on trying to stay within a £5 or so of £25 as going much further brings you to another tier of HSF's. Once I reached the point I was considering £35 cooling solutions I'd personally just pony up the extra £5-8 for something along the lines of what I listed.

I've never had problems with my Brocken 2's during hot summer months, although my case does have excellent airflow in fairness.

Honestly, if the £20 Freezer 34 was in stock I'd have recommended that:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £20.99 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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The Brocken 2's I bought (from OCUK) were closer to £20 than they currently are too.
 
There has been a significant increase in cooler prices in last 5 months. 212 prices started as low as 20 quid, now they are closer to 30. For years £30 was was entry level decent 6x 6mm heatpipe 140mm fan cooler. Now it's more like £40, maybe £45. There are some decent coolers starting at £25 on bay, but buyer needs to know what they are doing .. like make sure cooler has needed mount. Most are £30 or more.
 
After seeing both sides of your lengthy argument, I have made my decision... the 120mm be quiet Pure Rock!

Price and size-wise it became a choice between that or the Hyper 212 Evo, but I had the 212 last time and installing it was annoying as hell. Plus its fan started getting noisy eventually, not exactly comparable to a be quiet fan.
 
OzzyOscy said:
After seeing both sides of your lengthy argument, I have made my decision... the 120mm be quiet Pure Rock!

Price and size-wise it became a choice between that or the Hyper 212 Evo, but I had the 212 last time and installing it was annoying as hell. Plus its fan started getting noisy eventually, not exactly comparable to a be quiet fan.
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good cooler ,have one on my ryzen 3600 quiet and cool.sorry mis read mine is,
Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Air Tower Cooler.
 
OzzyOscy said:
After seeing both sides of your lengthy argument, I have made my decision... the 120mm be quiet Pure Rock!

Price and size-wise it became a choice between that or the Hyper 212 Evo, but I had the 212 last time and installing it was annoying as hell. Plus its fan started getting noisy eventually, not exactly comparable to a be quiet fan.
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Good little cooler for sure. Similar performance to H7 and Brocken and great looks.
 
Gray2233 said:
Out of what's currently in stock on OCUK?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £29.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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You'll be hard pressed to beat this, I've used a couple and they're fantastic for the price. Absolutely silent and excellent cooling performance.

It is a little tall with the fans fitted mind you, so check it'll fit in your case before buying.
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It’s not a little tall, it’s very tall :P I can’t fit it in a P400 without bending the side panel :P
 
Thanks. I know most of the time it's enough, but I like having some fan speed / airflow potential. Maybe my systems work harder. I render a lot of graphics, sometimes for hours on end .. and that is extremely CPU intensive. Even with case airflow setup to supply cooler with air only 2c warmer than air entering case cooler fans run at 1050-1200rpm @ 67-72c on my 6700k (rated 94w TDP) w/ no overclock. I've had several different coolers on it. Macho Rev. B to Le Grand Macho RT, TRUE Spirit 140 Power, PH-TC14PE, R1 Ultimate to name a few. Same kind of temps and fan speeds running i7-920, i7-980, even i5-8500 which is only 84w TDP. But like I said, my system are often running laods near 100%. ;)
 
NH-D14 is still about as good as it gets. Reason others score lower temps
is because they use higher airflow / higher speed fans. Put same high speed fans on D14 and it's within a couple degrees. Tested it and TRUE Spirit 140 Power with TY-143 2500rpm fans and D14 was only 3c warmer at 2500rpm (46.3c to 43.25c delta) with both below 70c on [email protected].
 
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