Whats this diet like?

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Hey,

Am just about to start bodybuilding, I have been reccomended the following diet - does anyone here see anything wrong with it?

Im 5 foot 5. 153 Pounds.

Diet said:
@ 7am:
1 cup of oats
1 scoop of whey protein with water
1 slice of wheat bread
1 cup of skim milk (250ml)
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@10:30AM(at school):
1 scoop of whey protein with water
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@12:30 NOON:
2 slices of wheat bread
Small salad - lettuce,tomato,cucumber
1 can of Tuna
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@4PM:
4 Eggs (2 Yolks)
1 scoop of Whey protein with water
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@7PM:
Fish or chicken breast
Veggies - Carrots, Brocoli etc

Aparrently that is a 40-40-20% diet (Carb-Protein-Fat).

Anyone have any suggestions.

Help appriciated!
 
I think you should add some pasta/rice, and maybe potatoes. Also to keep your taste buds alive change your breakfast to porridge or museli when you get bored of that wheat bread :P
 
A2Z said:
what are your aims?

what time is your training?

where is meal before bed?

My aim is to loose my fat, and gain muscle at the same time. I have been doing some research and apparently with a 40% 40% 20% diet you are able to do this. My aim is not to bulk, yet anyway.

I haven't put a meal before bed, i suppose i could fit a scoop with whey protein and water and consider that as a meal?

thanks for the reply.
 
Gangster said:
Hey,

Am just about to start bodybuilding, I have been reccomended the following diet - does anyone here see anything wrong with it?

Help appriciated!
I don't like the look of that diet. How many calories is that supposed to be? If you think you'll build any muscle with a diet like that then you're wrong.

You're a beginner so have no chance of knowing good from bad so if you're serious you need to be prepared to sit down and do some research and reading. The only problem is there's loads of rubbish out there, especially from the glossy magazines and Johnny Biceps down the gym.

I can point to some excellent places to start though;)

The sticky at the top of this forum:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17401146

and also the forums over on myprotein:
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/forum/
 
Gangster said:
My aim is to loose my fat, and gain muscle at the same time. I have been doing some research and apparently with a 40% 40% 20% diet you are able to do this.

Ah the gold star af achievements that everybody wants, but not many achieve.

Yes it is possible, however, you need to be a lot more clever about your diet and your training times. You need to create the right physical environment or the goal of the exercise you are about to do, then eat well (but clean) or the rest of the day.

Being new to the gym, you will see the results that you want in the short term (its the honeymoon period) but after this, you need to work hard.
building muscle and losing fat at the same time is not easy at all!
 
Apparently, the cyclical ketosis diet recommended by Gordy in the sticky is geared toward building and fat reduction. Take a look at www.c-k-d.com although they try to charge for diet & training plans, there is a useful forum there. It's basically Atkins but with a loading carb phase (1-2 days per week) to restore glycogen stores. So the main idea is induce ketosis throughout the week and 'load' up on good carbs on the 1-2 day period. I've never bothered with it personally but it's supposedly pretty effective. Vitamin suppliments are a must with ketosis diets though as your limited to what fruit and vegetables you can eat.
 
Hey guys,

thanks for the replies.

Yeh I dont exactly want to eat that diet that I mentioned, but if it will help i'll give it a shot.

With regards to the ketosis diet, yes it works but I was very depressed etc i went on it for 1.5 weeks and lost about 8 pound!

In total it adds up to 115G of protein or so. Ive been told that its 1/2g of protein per LB of body weight so sureley the protein amount there is fine?

Im not making to look this short term, I want to start off with it being challenging and then when I get how i want i'd like to go on say weightwatchers and still take the protein shakes (so im eating partially what I want but maintaining my weight). Reason being I dont want to get big, just want myself to look in shape.

thanks once again for the replies.

G
 
Forget all that. You need

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Sorry :p
 
So guys - im looking to go on this diet soon, well as soon as my whey gets here. Anyone here able to give it the green light to go? :d.

thanks
 
you first off definately, if you're planning to do muscle and fat reduction specific phases want to start with muscle. every bit of muscle you pack on burns more calories throughout the whole day, lets you work out better and makes you a fat burning machine. muscle quickly = good. personally i think its best to stick with, especially during the easy first few weeks when gains will be massive, to compound stuff only. for first few weeks after a long time of not doing any weights you will have a stupidly fast recovery and big gains and not taking advantage of it is shooting yourself in the foot. 3/4 times a week for a couple weeks, squats, chest presses and other compound exercises and you'll gain a lot of muscle IF you're eating enough protein. its also very much best in this period to eat enough calories to let you build muscle, and to not feel tired as you're increasing fitness, this will all make the weeks after easier and faster going.

protein wise, if you're cycling goals weekly/bi weekly or whatever, you want to probo eat around a 1gram per lb area to maintain muscle. if you're a point where you feel you're gaining mucles easily, pump up that protein, 250-300grams a day and you can feel the muscle gains if you're working out right. sometimes more, sometimes less, if you feel you're eating that much protein and not gaining fast, change up training schedual and exercises for a couple weeks and maybe drop protein intake. keeping your body out of a rut is fairly important.


another word on compound exercises. i personally find it far easier to build compound strength, back, thighs, stomach, and all core area's first. if you're doing squats you'll get a lot of benefit even if you don't specifically hit things like biceps, the lifting weight and holding weight while doing squats is actually helping. core strength first then specific muscle groups. if you're got a weak back/abs/shoulders then building biceps is harder work, and slower going.


i'm also one of those whose of the opinion that, you can optimise when you work out, exactly when you eat, but if you go old skool and easy, work out whens convinient and best for you, eat some of what you enjoy, don't skimp on nice foods too much, find some tasty foods that aren't bad for you and don't go to overboard you're far more likely to stick with working out and eating right. its all well and good spending weeks/months researching and trying to find the perfect routine, but you often end up using too much advice, making your routines, workout and meal times to exact, to perfect and its incredibly hard to stick to. you get frustrated as you miss one work out or meal time and you've convinced yourself you won't lose weight for the next few days because you screwed up, put to much pressure on yourself and end up giving up.

sure some people find it easy to stick to a complicated routine, but i think a lot more people end up quiting than the people that stick to the easy method of, eat "generally" well, work out every other day and just lead a healthy life. basics like don't do heavy weights workouts everyday is just common sense, you'll over work your body. aim to do 3-4 workouts a week(after initial easy phase) and give an area a few days break, so if you do biceps/triceps, don't focus on them till a couple or workouts later. keep it simple, keep it easy, and you'll keep at it.
 
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drunkenmaster - that you very much for that detailed post :)

With regards to the diet, i really need to do this before I can bulk like you are saying because I have too much 'fat' around my body for my liking and I really need to shift it before I can lift some weights. Im aiming to do a bit of both - gain muscle and loose weight - ovbiously I wont gain muscle like I would if I was eating mad but I really do need to get rid of the fat.

As for workout im doing - monday/wednesday/friday which I do just the following excercises:

- 8x3 Bicep Curls, using 4.5KG

-10x3 Squats (9KG put on shoulders -4.5kg each side and I do squats.)

-10x2 Barbell Shrug (Traps) 4.5KG

-10x2 Calve Raise (with 9KG on shoulders to make it a bit more intense.)

-20x1 Slow paced situps

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I have done the above for the past week, however with eating normal foods. As soon as my whey comes through in Im going to switch to the diet mentioned above - and yes I know it looks boring do you think I reallly want to eat that kind of food? Im doing it because I want to and I have to and if its going to give me the body I want I will be trying my best to stick to it. :)


Thanks,
G
 
Gangster said:
As for workout im doing - monday/wednesday/friday which I do just the following excercises:

- 8x3 Bicep Curls, using 4.5KG

-10x3 Squats (9KG put on shoulders -4.5kg each side and I do squats.)

-10x2 Barbell Shrug (Traps) 4.5KG

-10x2 Calve Raise (with 9KG on shoulders to make it a bit more intense.)

-20x1 Slow paced situps

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I have done the above for the past week,

Is that your workout???

If so, you dont train chest, shoulders, triceps or back??? :confused:
 
Im just doing that for now because I dont have my whey - consider it a warm-up ;).

Of course i'll do more once my whey gets here :D
 
In the meantime you can always get your protein from natural sources such as tuna, chicken, and eggs. Don't let a lack of whey stop you training. s7 posted a great beginners routine somewhere, I'll try and find it.
EDIT - Can't find it, search function isn't working :(

For the past week, how have you felt after training? I only ask because the weights you're using seem on the low side, but I have no idea as to your body composition so it might be an entirely effective workout, or it might be that you need to up the weight.
 
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Not sure if you're talking about this one mate, but I'll post it anyway :)

Monday (Chest/Shoulder/Triceps)

Flat Bench Press – 3x8 (alternate between BB & DB to start)
Incline Dumbbell Bench – 3x8
Skull Crushers – 3x8 (similar to lying tricep extensions)
Close Grip Bench Press – 3x8
Seated Dumbbell Military Press -3x8
Lateral Dumbbell Raises – 3x8
Calf Raises

Wednesday (Back/Biceps)

Dead lifts – 3x8
Bent Over Barbell Rows – 3x8
Pull ups or Pull Downs, alternate week to week 3x8
Barbell Bicep Curl -3x8
One arm Dumbbell hammer Curls – 3x8
Calf Raises

Friday (Legs/Abs)

Barbell Squats – 3x8
Dumbbell Lunges – 3x8
SLDL - 4 x 8
Calf Raises-4x10

I'd train abs on the 2-3 days in between so if you were training 3 times mon, wed, and fri, abs would be tues, thurs, sat.
 
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