What's with all the LGA1366 snobbery?

[Auraomega]

That's the type of post that makes YOU a snob towards 1366, why state loads of fiction and then say why you're glad you didn't waste money on an i7.
You are exactly as bad as the 1366 snobs.

How exactly is my post fiction?

Hyperthreading performance:

Crysis Warhead 119.59 118.72 - 0.7%
Far Cry 2 176.78 167.90 - 5.0%

Linky.

I encode maybe 1 video per year, so that's certainly not fictitious.

Now on to 8x v 16x:
Taken from Far Cry 2, 5870 running at 1680x1050, 4xAA

x1 53.9FPS
x4 82.3FPS
x8 86.9FPS
x16 88.4FPS

Linky
So that's less than my estimated 3FPS hit.

I'm glad I didn't waste money on an i7 because for me, that is exactly what an i7 would have been, it holds no real advantage for me over the i5, Phenom or Core2.

I read through reviews, weighed up prices, and found the i5 to be the best for me, what's wrong with that?

EDIT:
@FilterFish, how on Earth did a 965 'drop into your lap'? I need to know this secret for the future

 

[Vertigo]

Hyperthread causes a slowdown in games (and I assume single threaded tasks) as shown by various review sites.

Interesting, as I've been weighing up i5 vs i7 and this would be a factor.

Do you have any links to such reviews?

 

[FilterFish]

I think this 'slowdown' is being blown out of all proportions and hyperthreading can be disabled/enabled at will, unless you don't have it of course

@Auraomega - A good friend was apparently tripping over them in the office, so he sent one my way

 

[Vertigo]

Well I'd like to read some tests to see how much of a "problem" it really is.

As for enabling or disabling it, this requires rebooting and messing in the BIOS and I don't really want to be doing that every time I want to play an affected game

 

[thevet]

What on earth is with the snobbery that seems to surround the 1366 platform compared to the 1156?

I seem to encounter it everywhere amongst 1366 owners - the moment you mention even contemplating a 1156 solution rather than a 1366 one, you're met with condescending comments or just abuse. It seems there's a section of 1366 owners out there who either simply refuse to concede that 1156 offers advantages over their platform, or that anyone would consider buying anything less than the "top of the range" that their platform represents.

I've never encountered this sort of thing before with processors, so why does it seem to happen with these two platforms? Is it just me that's noticed this?

I do find it rather funny sometimes that these self-professed experts are declaring the 1156 platform to be universally useless when it's going to be Intel mainstream platform for the next few years and has be pretty much universally praised in reviews I've read.

you get what you pay for,but there is no noeed for i7 users to be snobby

 

[Auraomega]

Do you have any links to such reviews?

This review has Crysis and Far Cry 2.

This one has various games.

...more...

The hits can be anywhere from a 0.4% on Crysis all the way up to 25.1% on GRiD. I'd assume it's an issue with single threaded applications, when you think about it it's pretty logical. The few games that see an increase see a max of 9.7% according to that. The hits might not be the end of the world, but my thought was "why pay more for a hit to framerate to wave e-peen and have 8 cores, 4 of which are fake?" on the other hand if it was 8 physical cores instead of 4 physical and 4 logical, I'd be more inclined to spend more.

Also, being a Win7 user I found this to be interesting, and again make my use of an i7 even more limited:

Note that Windows 7 brings something new here as its scheduler favours physical threads over logical threads up to a certain load limit (not detailed by Microsoft). In other words, Windows 7 does not resort to hyperthreading unless it is useful, so as to make the most of all the cores of a CPU.

 

[subbytna]

Bigger number aint it.

Ive got a Q9550 and it performs well and is enough for all my gaming needs, my house mate has got an i7 and load times etc are virtually the same.

Some people need the best money can buy, others keep their pc untill an upgarde is worth doing and will give a bigger performance increase for the money.

+1

I'm not needing to upgrade anything for at least another 12 months. No game out there is really THAT taxing on a GTX260. When I do go down the upgrade route, I may be spending 600-700 on a rig but buying that same rig now would cost about 1200. Prices will come down and until there are games/software that merit a faster CPU/GPU then my rig will do me fine

 

[subbytna]

Well lower power consumption also equates to less heat, which is important to me. Combine this with the far superior turbo function in the Lynnfield processors and it makes an interesting comparison...

Basically, I'm ditching water to go back to air and am also fed up with overclocking in general. If I went for an i7 920 then I'd have to clock it up to 3.2/3.4Ghz to get the performance I want/need for games and so on. The problem is this means that, the other 90% of the time, all four cores are sitting there, overclocked, sucking power and producing heat, which I need to cool without spending a fortune and/or making loads of noise.

Contrast with a Lynnfield solution where I can leave the processor at stock settings and allow the turbo-boost to overclock as necessary when only one or two cores are in use. Combine this with far better power efficiency due to its improved ability to shut down inactive cores and it becomes more attractive to me.

Ironically it transpires that, to get the features I want, the 1156 motherboard will probably end up costing just as much as a 1366 one would. If I ended up going with an i7 860 over an i5 750 in order to get the hyper threading functionality then I'd wind up spending pretty much the same as I would on a 1366 platform, yet I'd still choose the 1156 for the reasons given above

One final question mark hangs over what processors will be available on these platforms in the future. If 1366 is being positioned as the high-end/server platform then it's entirely possibly that only the very top end processors will be released on this platform, with all the maintream ones being on 1156. Remember the processors are very different on these platform, with Bloomfield having a triple-channel memory controller whilst Lynnfield has on-board PCI-e. Simply making every processor available for both sockets isn't going to be financially viable so they'll have to make some choices. The LGA1366 platform looks attractive now solely because of the i7 920, which is an overclockers dream, but there's no guarantee there'll be any more bargain chips like this for LGA1366 in the future. Only time will tell.

good post

 

[mathwat]

The way i look at it is Intel (ferrari) and Amd (ford), yes i'am nuts.

Lets just say Intel the ferrari that can do 180 mph.

then there's

Amd the ford that can do 130 mph but costs 1/2 of the amount.

Both cars/chips can only do 70mph on the roads, most people who like fast cars/cpu's will pick Intel because there are the fastest car/cpu around.

Most due to E-peen, some actaully need the cpu's power for work and so on. But the upgrade path for the LGA1366 looks rather expensive to me imho. Once you've owned a fast car/cpu like a ferrari you wouldn't want to go back to a ford i.e slower cpu would you.

 

[paradisiac]

The way i look at it is Intel (ferrari) and Amd (ford), yes i'am nuts.

Lets just say Intel the ferrari that can do 180 mph.

then there's

Amd the ford that can do 130 mph but costs 1/2 of the amount.

Both cars/chips can only do 70mph on the roads, most people who like fast cars/cpu's will pick Intel because there are the fastest car/cpu around.

Most due to E-peen, some actaully need the cpu's power for work and so on. But the upgrade path for the LGA1366 looks rather expensive to me imho. Once you've owned a fast car/cpu like a ferrari you wouldn't want to go back to a ford i.e slower cpu would you.

pretty good analogy there, nice easy way for people to get their heads around it. but i think amd are now advancing so maybe they are kind of progressing into a lessor sports car, they look good on paper, reasonable performance, but not quite the reputation of a ferrari just yet.