What's with the fake trancey bits?

ElvisFan · 27 May 2011 at 00:15

Me and one of the lads at work have noticed a peculiar fad in "Radio1-type" music just recently.

It basically consists of music that is or isn't particularly "dance-ey" that goes into a bit of ridiculously dated high-piched "Fake Trance" later on. I first noticed this with Kylie's "All The Lovers", then with "Kickstart" by The Example.

Then I noticed it with "I'm Not Alone" by calvin Harris, followed by "Gold Forever" by The Wanted, and "Seek Bromance" by Tim Berg.

I could post clips and timemarks but I wondered if anybody had already noticed this incredibly cheap trick.

Once you notice it it will bug you.

Morba · 27 May 2011 at 00:41

all of calvin harris's tracks are like that.

It's not the first time that dance tracks have found their way into the charts, but it does seem more normally pop artists are heading in the dance direction, at least for a few songs.

Tefal · 27 May 2011 at 00:44

go on i'll ask why is it a "cheap trick" ?

ElvisFan · 27 May 2011 at 01:19

Tefal said:
go on i'll ask why is it a "cheap trick" ?

Cheap and easy way of getting pub dj's across the land to play their crap. Stupid birds love a dancey bit in the songs. Pubs and bars won't play full-on bangin trance, but they accept this radio-friendly toss because it isn't full-on, yet gives the stupid dorises something to dance badly to for roughly one minute per song.

I've seen it in action.

HangTime · 27 May 2011 at 01:20

An incredibly cheap trick at that

To be honest I'm not sure if I understand the question/point - basically the premise that modern pop music has some forumulaic 'trance' sections, and that (for reasons unspecified) this is bad?
edit: The above post explains it. Fair point I think in terms of getting playtime in pubs/clubs. Katy Perry is verging on going that way with some of her tracks.

It certainly doesn't bug me - I quite like "All the lovers" by Kylie.
And in relation to the pub/club playtime - again in some ways it's good, more chance of some uplifting music. Not saying I prefer this type to genuine trance, but compared to standard pop like I dunno, Mika or something, fine with me.

As an aside, a similar thing happened with rap music a while back (say 10 years ago), eminem kinda pushed rap more towards the mainstream and so it became acceptable to play crossover pop/rap in bars/clubs giving everyone a chance to sing along while waving their hands around at a funny angle.

Tefal · 27 May 2011 at 01:22

ElvisFan said:
Cheap and easy way of getting pub dj's across the land to play their crap. Stupid birds love a dancey bit in the songs. Pubs and bars won't play full-on bangin trance, but they accept this radio-friendly toss because it isn't full-on, yet gives the stupid dorises something to dance badly to for roughly one minute per song.

I've seen it in action.

Song in written for a specific market/audience shocker?

You sound like more of a **** than the "stupid dorises" who want something to dance to.

ElvisFan · 27 May 2011 at 01:54

Tefal said:
Song in written for a specific market/audience shocker?

You sound like more of a **** than the "stupid dorises" who want something to dance to.

You thick ****.

Give them something decent to dance to then. They're starved of dance and will dance to anything that remotely fills that need, but one minute per song is not the answer. Back in the mid to late nineties you had excellent mainstream chart stuff that was danceable and suitable in bars. Even some underground trance found it's way into the mainstream, such as ATB.

Radio 1, the pub dj's are equally at fault. Radio 1 push any old rammel that comes their way and the pub dj's think that because it's on radio 1 that the kids MUST like it. If the DJ's used their supposed musical ear and filtered out the bilge that Fearne Cotton says is amazing and kept the few decent gems then there might be a slim chance of breaking this trend.

The most disturbing thing I have ever seen is watching lasses stood around talking when the verses to "We No Speak Americano" were playing, yet stopping talking and suddenly dancing around like bizarrely-operated puppets in the dancey chorus sections, then returning to their conversations for the second verse.

Morba · 27 May 2011 at 02:03

ElvisFan said:
You thick ****.

Give them something decent to dance to then. They're starved of dance and will dance to anything that remotely fills that need, but one minute per song is not the answer. Back in the mid to late nineties you had excellent mainstream chart stuff that was danceable and suitable in bars. Even some underground trance found it's way into the mainstream, such as ATB.

Radio 1, the pub dj's are equally at fault. Radio 1 push any old rammel that comes their way and the pub dj's think that because it's on radio 1 that the kids MUST like it. If the DJ's used their supposed musical ear and filtered out the bilge that Fearne Cotton says is amazing and kept the few decent gems then there might be a slim chance of breaking this trend.

The most disturbing thing I have ever seen is watching lasses stood around talking when the verses to "We No Speak Americano" were playing, yet stopping talking and suddenly dancing around like bizarrely-operated puppets in the dancey chorus sections, then returning to their conversations for the second verse.

You must go to some odd places. the parties I've done in last 2 years have not had anything of the sort. If they are up dancing then they are dancing for the whole song, slowing down when the music does like any other song they dance to.

Most of what Fearne likes to promote is more festival type bands, rather than trancey pop, that's left for the normal 'pop' dj's on radio1.

Tefal · 27 May 2011 at 02:14

ElvisFan said:
You thick ****.

Give them something decent to dance to then. They're starved of dance and will dance to anything that remotely fills that need, but one minute per song is not the answer. Back in the mid to late nineties you had excellent mainstream chart stuff that was danceable and suitable in bars. Even some underground trance found it's way into the mainstream, such as ATB.

Radio 1, the pub dj's are equally at fault. Radio 1 push any old rammel that comes their way and the pub dj's think that because it's on radio 1 that the kids MUST like it. If the DJ's used their supposed musical ear and filtered out the bilge that Fearne Cotton says is amazing and kept the few decent gems then there might be a slim chance of breaking this trend.

The most disturbing thing I have ever seen is watching lasses stood around talking when the verses to "We No Speak Americano" were playing, yet stopping talking and suddenly dancing around like bizarrely-operated puppets in the dancey chorus sections, then returning to their conversations for the second verse.

So aside from your weird hatred of women what's your problem with it?

ElvisFan · 27 May 2011 at 02:24

Tefal said:
So aside from your weird hatred of women what's your problem with it?

Don't know where you're getting the hatred of women thing from, other than the younger ones are stupid, and my problem with this so called music is that having been around during the greatest era of dance music this current stuff bugs me. It's my thread and I don't have to justify myself to you. If you don't like that then there's other threads to troll.

"andy" · 27 May 2011 at 02:42

as said all of calvin harris's music is like that , he is a fan of dance music and IIRC has even been on the radio1 essential mix (they must have been desperate that week mind)

and then kylies track... well that was produced by a certain mr stuart price who was first and foremost a house producer/remixer before being paid truck loads of cash to produce albums for the likes of madonna/the scissor sisters/take that and anyone else who makes top10 dancey pop

i would actually struggle to name off the top of my head a number 1 record from the last ten years that doesnt have some sort of dancey/trancey kick to it so well done for finally noticing.

ElvisFan · 27 May 2011 at 02:47

"andy" said:
i would actually struggle to name off the top of my head a number 1 record from the last ten years that doesnt have some sort of dancey/trancey kick to it so well done for finally noticing.

We used to have radio 2 on for years but the new gaffer makes us endure radio 1 so that maybe explains the recent observation.

"andy" · 27 May 2011 at 03:13

definitely the reason , pop music is just terribly lazy and has been for too long , theres the odd bit of genius or something different but im struggling to think of a recent one.

just looked at the top10/40 there and its horrific . a fair few of the artists feature 2/3/4 times in it which just shows how well there marketing is doing , doesnt leave room for anything different . the same producers working for competing artists etc doesnt help either , just ends up with everything sounding similar

Pestilence · 27 May 2011 at 08:58

It's taken you THIS long to notice this??? :confused:

jaybee · 27 May 2011 at 09:07

I have no idea what you are talking about because I don't know any of the songs in the OP. Name some other popular songs that have this (I can't youtube them up as I'm at work).

nydryl · 27 May 2011 at 09:57

You're not 5, you'll be well aware that pop music is all fads, at the moment the popular thing is to either trance or dub up the songs. If you want proper dance music go to a club where they put on proper DJs then you won't have to stand around working yourself up into a slightly disturbing rage against the young people enjoying themselves.

krooton · 27 May 2011 at 10:14

I have noticed a fairly recent explosion of "urban" artists using riffs that are straight out of cheesy 1998 trance in the backing of their crappy tracks.

It's like they've all finally moved on from weed to pills, lol.

Chris Brown - Yeah 3x is a prime example, sound like they just nicked the riff from Castles In The Sky.

Robosapien · 23 Jun 2011 at 19:48

and whats with enter shikari?

explicit4u · 23 Jun 2011 at 19:54

Robosapien said:
and whats with enter shikari?

**** You!

I love enter shikari! :cool:

ElvisFan said:
Don't know where you're getting the hatred of women thing from, other than the younger ones are stupid, and my problem with this so called music is that having been around during the greatest era of dance music this current stuff bugs me. It's my thread and I don't have to justify myself to you. If you don't like that then there's other threads to troll.

They're stupid for liking music you don't like? :rolleyes:

SixTwoSix · 23 Jun 2011 at 20:22

Thought the cheap trick these days was adding some faux-dubstep bass breaks into generic pop pap, a few recent britney tracks have done this.