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When are we getting some proper mid-range upgrades?

FoxEye

FoxEye

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R280X and GTX770 are too expensive.

R270X is a massive fail, given that it's a 7870 for the same money :/ 760 is > £200, slower than a 670, too expensive for what it is.

And the 670 is back up to £300 on OcUK? What a joke!


Everybody only wants to talk about 290x / 780 here, it's like you all have vast piles of money to ***** on this overpriced nonsense? I wouldn't care about that if it wasn't for the fact that AMD/nV don't even want to do anything good in the mid-range space, just endlessly push more and more expensive top end cards (to massive fanfaire!)

I'm not excited for new 780 or R290. I wish AMD/nV would give us something to cheer for in the mid-range. Like a new GTX460, where everyone agrees this card is fantastic value for money.

Are they afraid that good mid-range cards are bad for business? Churn out the same crap with no progress and hope everyone skips mid-tier to pay more money on top end cards?

Let's face it, the current mid-range cards from both parties are hopeless. No forward movement in over 3 years now! Disappointing.
 
What's wrong with getting a 7970 or 7950 second hand? Cheaper than paying over £200 for one.

Of course people are talking about the 290x or 780 as it's new tech......what do you expect?!?!?
 
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FoxEye said:
R280X and GTX770 are too expensive.

R270X is a massive fail, given that it's a 7870 for the same money :/ 760 is > £200, slower than a 670, too expensive for what it is.

And the 670 is back up to £300 on OcUK? What a joke!


Everybody only wants to talk about 290x / 780 here, it's like you all have vast piles of money to ***** on this overpriced nonsense? I wouldn't care about that if it wasn't for the fact that AMD/nV don't even want to do anything good in the mid-range space, just endlessly push more and more expensive top end cards (to massive fanfaire!)

I'm not excited for new 780 or R290. I wish AMD/nV would give us something to cheer for in the mid-range. Like a new GTX460, where everyone agrees this card is fantastic value for money.

Are they afraid that good mid-range cards are bad for business? Churn out the same crap with no progress and hope everyone skips mid-tier to pay more money on top end cards?

Let's face it, the current mid-range cards from both parties are hopeless. No forward movement in over 3 years now! Disappointing.
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Wait till next year and buy gtx 780/R290 for peanuts.
For now I stick with mine gtx 670.
 
@malachi

Paying £170 for a 2nd hand 7950 with no warranty is hardly the best solution to this problem!

AMD could have chosen to rebrand the 7950 as the 270X, but I guess that was expecting a bit much? Would actually have been progress...
 
jimhaumman said:
Wait till next year and buy gtx 780/R290 for peanuts.
For now I stick with mine gtx 670.
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Define peanuts? 780 is £400, 290 is £350 or so, how much do you expect them to lose value in a year?

Mid-range is up to £150 or so. More than £200 is not any kind of mid-range I'm familiar with.
 
FoxEye said:
Define peanuts? 780 is £400, 290 is £350 or so, how much do you expect them to lose value in a year?

Mid-range is up to £150 or so. More than £200 is not any kind of mid-range I'm familiar with.
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I meant second hand gpu. People will be upgrading with next-gen and selling current generation.Is not a problem to buy s-h cards now for 200 quid (for example hd7970) still with warranty (2 years)
 
both companies didnt release a whole new range, they both just released one new card rly - so yeh no new midrange :(

start of next year should be seeing 280's under £200 and 290's at £300
apu's with 7750 power will make cheap gaming pc's

i agree the 270x is a bit of a lame card, doesnt have the same appeal as 7950 to me either
 
FoxEye said:
I'm not excited for new 780 or R290. I wish AMD/nV would give us something to cheer for in the mid-range. Like a new GTX460, where everyone agrees this card is fantastic value for money.
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I'm not sure if you've missed it - R7 260?

And why would a GPU manufacturer spend money on creating a new GTX460 when there's a GTX460 already?

The GTX460 was £200 when it was new. GTX760 is £200 new now ...
 
jimhaumman said:
I meant second hand gpu. People will be upgrading with next-gen and selling current generation.Is not a problem to buy s-h cards now for 200 quid (for example hd7970) still with warranty (2 years)
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Best way to go about it. Most reputable sellers on mm will be more than willing to help with rma should the need arise. Many sellers actually state so in their listings. One of my 670's was purchased on mm, £210.00 a while back, an awful lot cheaper than what i paid for the first one brand new, £380.00 iirc.
 
Just had a look, there's two Gigas for 165, 175, one for 190... and a couple Sapphires for 150.

Not sure that they 'routinely' go for 130-140; search doesn't even find more than a handful having been sold on MM in the last 6 months...
 
Gibbo said:
There is no more new mid range due, until a long time. The current line up is spot on!
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Yeah I'm not expecting new AMD cards until 2015... given how much AMD like delays :p

And yeah, you're hardly going to criticise the cards you want to sell, but let's be honest... the mid-range lack of any progress at all is not exactly spot on ;)

But at least you've just said that there will be no vanilla 280 (non-X), so essentially AMD have killed the 7950 product. I guess it sold too well and AMD wasn't happy with the profit margin on it?
 
I picked up a brand new 7950 with a factory overclock of 925mhz for £166 recently. There's good mid range bargains to be had out there, you've just gotta keep your eyes peeled.

I will agree that the top end cards are ridiculously priced nowadays. No chance on earth you'd catch me dropping £400 on a graphics card.
 
I was in much the same boat, but picked up a second-hand Sapphire Vapor-X 7950 for £160 and am very happy with it. Of course I'd much prefer a proper mid-range card bought new, but with things the way they are the secondhand market is the way to go.
 
My 460 for £150 (new) had a custom cooler, and was totally silent, whilst delivering an amazing boost from what I had.

My 7850, for £100 (2nd hand), has a custom cooler, is nearly silent, and was a good boost from the 460.

Not going to jump to a HIS (who?) card with a crap cooler, for £170 :p

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that there will be no 280 (non-X)?
 
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