When are you going fully electric?
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If trucks start racking up 500,000 miles on its original battery that will do a lot to dispell the battery life concerns some people have.
Again it will be the big I that is the deciding factor - infrastructure. Sure lots do round trips from a depot but you also see plenty of trucks a long way from home.
I'm not a trucker obviously but I was under the impression that tacho restrictions are a real PITA and hold ups on the road can totally screw any plans a driver may have. So if you get stuck in traffic, are 60 minutes from a suitable charging site but only have 45 minutes on the tacho you'd have to take your mandatory break then stop again. Be interesting to hear from any truckers as to whether that is correct or if I'm talking out of my rear.
Someone mentioned better quality of life for the drivers, that will be a big positive. I assume all those trucks that stop in such scenic places as a grotty layby on the A14 are only doing so because it's the quickest way to get their mandatory break in. If there is a need to charge as well then there will be proper facilities and the driver can take a proper break away from the cab.
Again it will be the big I that is the deciding factor - infrastructure. Sure lots do round trips from a depot but you also see plenty of trucks a long way from home.
I'm not a trucker obviously but I was under the impression that tacho restrictions are a real PITA and hold ups on the road can totally screw any plans a driver may have. So if you get stuck in traffic, are 60 minutes from a suitable charging site but only have 45 minutes on the tacho you'd have to take your mandatory break then stop again. Be interesting to hear from any truckers as to whether that is correct or if I'm talking out of my rear.
Someone mentioned better quality of life for the drivers, that will be a big positive. I assume all those trucks that stop in such scenic places as a grotty layby on the A14 are only doing so because it's the quickest way to get their mandatory break in. If there is a need to charge as well then there will be proper facilities and the driver can take a proper break away from the cab.
yes interesting video - didn't seem to mention speed seems it is max 50mph - so that (lower kw/100k) help explain why battery recharge is not imposing on allocated driving/rest periods,
(had seen video of r5 range on 130k autoroute versus a road increases 50% )
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My aversion to 2nd hand ID3 is lack of pre-conditioning/retrofit of that software, for quick re-fuels on weekend trips, but, it's sweetened since 2nd hand ones are 5K less than Renault etech ~£20K
(had seen video of r5 range on 130k autoroute versus a road increases 50% )
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for me insurance similar to a 320i ~ £400 ...kona & co more like £600
My aversion to 2nd hand ID3 is lack of pre-conditioning/retrofit of that software, for quick re-fuels on weekend trips, but, it's sweetened since 2nd hand ones are 5K less than Renault etech ~£20K
As if you would buy one even if it had pre-conditioning. Just nonsense excuses
For the rest of us who live in the real world it barely makes a difference
Soldato
Agreed. Old Kona is Clio sized, new Kona Niro sized. I'm 115k miles into my 2021 Kona. Impresses me every time I drive it.
The answer is no, althoguh I'm not going to bother watching it
You should really watch the video before commenting. It is a response to an article in the spectator on falling sales and Rory Sutherland is a big supporter of the move to electric... Or you could just react emotionally without context...
No, I don’t need to based on the source and the clickbait title.
Let me make it simple… no it’s not time to scrap EVs.
Which is exactly the point Rory makes in the video
Which is exactly the point Rory makes in the video
Now you understand why I don’t watch click bait nonsense.
I could instantly answer the question without giving clicks to that content provider. Because I know the main reasons EV sales have practically flattened in some countries, is because the EV incentives have dried up. UK, Germany, Australia and even the US have started to, or have already removed most incentives for EV buyers.
So EVs have to start standing on their merits as vehicles rather than being artificially cheaper to buy.
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Soldato
What an absolute crock of poop. It's time to draw a line in the sand for ICE, bring forward the date back to 2030 for non PHEV's, and get rid of the tariff's on Chinese cars (in the UK at least). You only need to look at the number of MG4's on the road to realise the vast majority of people only care about price/cost not drive train, unless you are a defacto petrol head or working in one of the oil companies maybe.
If you have the attention span for it, there are a lot of other interesting reasonings given in the video. Such as the limit number of early adopters, demographics, and oversupply from chinese manufactures entering the marketNow you understand why I don’t watch click bait nonsense.
I could instantly answer the question without giving clicks to that content provider. Because I know the main reasons EV sales have practically flattened in some countries, is because the EV incentives have dried up. UK, Germany, Australia and even the US have started to, or have already removed most incentives for EV buyers.
So EVs have to start standing on their merits as vehicles rather than being artificially cheaper to buy.
Removing tariffs on cheaper Chinese EVs that are owned and heavily subsidised by the CCP, is not good for the local UK economy and longer term economic growth in the western world. The EU and US finally seemed to understand that belligerent nations like China are not flooding the market to help the consumers, but to undermine entire economies.
Imagine the massive social and economic impact if entire swathes of western workforces making western cars were to disappear.
Those Chinese EVs aren’t just cheap because some of the parts are a bit iffy, but because the Chinese Communist Party own the company and heavily subsidise the costs. If it was a private company their costs would be not that much less than an equivalent low end European made EV.
The problem with some people is they never think longer term than how it impacts their wallet.
Imagine the massive social and economic impact if entire swathes of western workforces making western cars were to disappear.
Those Chinese EVs aren’t just cheap because some of the parts are a bit iffy, but because the Chinese Communist Party own the company and heavily subsidise the costs. If it was a private company their costs would be not that much less than an equivalent low end European made EV.
The problem with some people is they never think longer term than how it impacts their wallet.
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It’s the clickbait nonsense that puts me off ANY articles from ANY source. It doesn’t help it’s the spectator to begin with but at least have a more reasonable title.
Extremely off topic, but sadly we now live in a world of minute attention spans which can only be captured by exaggeration and hyperbole to the extreme. I see it in EV reviews all the time - "this car is a GAMECHANGER"; no, it's not. It's a hatchback with a couple of nice features. I hate it too, but it's the way we've gone
however, in avoiding it completely, one does tend to miss out on some worthy listens and reads.
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Extremely off topic, but sadly we now live in a world of minute attention spans which can only be captured by exaggeration and hyperbole to the extreme. I see it in EV reviews all the time - "this car is a GAMECHANGER"; no, it's not. It's a hatchback with a couple of nice features. I hate it too, but it's the way we've gone
lol, yeah I hate that. I stopped watching some EV reviewers when their articles always stayed with “Better than a Tesla?” Better what, efficiency, an actual interior, a practical boot opening, better quality. Review the goddam thing on its own merits and let us decide.
I wouldn't spend my own money on an e2008 - I have one on a dirt cheap salsac with a lot of man maths at play (wife's a relatively new driver). The steering wheel/driving position is just trash, and the PSA software is awful. It works fine as a washing machine type car tho...
each to his own id3's at £15k look interesting, but on a typical weekend trip with a couple of hours of motorway , you'd have to stop for 40mins to dc re-charge.As if you would buy one even if it had pre-conditioning. Just nonsense excuses
For the rest of us who live in the real world it barely makes a difference