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Maybe you just have an alternative opinion rather than having to 'get' anything.
When are you going fully electric?
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Maybe you just have an alternative opinion rather than having to 'get' anything.
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I can understand petrol engine noise can be exciting. The straight 6 in the BMW did sound good (it can make you feel like you're going faster etc..). I don't miss it though.
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Sound? Great.
Speed? Trumps all.
Speed? Trumps all.
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Maybe so. The placement of the car, the entry speed, braking, the application of traction - all are the same. You still need to be a driver to get the car around the track. BEVs are what's coming. We're only just getting started with what they can do.
After over 100 years of development, the ICE BMW M3 is already slower round a track than a Tesla Model 3 Performance was when it launched. Can you imagine what the BEVs will be like once they improve the efficiency of the batteries so they’re smaller and lighter? ICE isn’t dead by a long-shot, but it is in the twilight of it’s years. All the big car manufacturers are stopping ICE development and the next generation of track cars will be BEVs. We have to adapt. Going to an ICE car show will be like going to a steam rally today. Wonderful, but no longer necessary.
I even specifically said there’s more to it than sound.
Oh for sure. And that’s the point I’m making. Experience and enjoyment isn’t just linked to outright speed.
Get what exactly? That the aural feedback from the engine can be an integral part of the enjoyment of driving? I think that is a pretty well documented fact. I even remember VW doing some research on the positive effects of noise on the driver and how in testing simply giving the car a more sporty tone gave a greater impression of performance, even though the actual power remained unchanged. Unfortunately this probably ended up in the silly "soundaktor" systems but the core principal remains the same.
I'm sure I'll end up in an EV one day but when I do I hope I don't become like the reformed smoker who went from 40 a day to dramatically waving my arms around and coughing at the slightest whiff of a Marlboro Light.
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Exactly what was said, it is pollution.
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I thought I would miss it but I don't. But an ICE car does have a complete different level of engagement. The sound of a good ICE engine, induction noise, manual gearchange and even an appreciation of the mechanical engineering that went into it. I have no doubt that a good ICE car is more fun on track than probably all road going EV's.
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I wouldn't say it's less engaging in a BEV. I believe I have more feel for the road in one, particularly since the road is mostly what I can hear. It's hard to explain, but I don't miss wrenching through a manual gearbox and I don't believe doing that made me more engaged with the vehicle.
I'd bet that a majority of people claiming that BEVs are less engaging drive auto diesels anyway. Hardly the track beast experience that some people are reckoning they'll miss when they eventually have to jump to BEV. Nobody is commuting around in an Ariel Atom
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It’s like all those people who’d never driven a good automatic going on about manual gearboxes. And now most people would want a good automatic over a manual.
I bet when electric windscreen wipers first came out people said, “but I like steering the car and moving the wipers by hand...”
I don’t see myself as a reformed smoker. Just an enlightened person who sees the way things are going and has decided to appreciate the positives of what I’ve got rather than look backwards at what I had.
One really noticeable thing about that Polestar 2 video is how quiet the car is, despite the fact he’s going very fast. That’s going to be lovely when I get back over to Europe again.
I bet when electric windscreen wipers first came out people said, “but I like steering the car and moving the wipers by hand...”
I don’t see myself as a reformed smoker. Just an enlightened person who sees the way things are going and has decided to appreciate the positives of what I’ve got rather than look backwards at what I had.
One really noticeable thing about that Polestar 2 video is how quiet the car is, despite the fact he’s going very fast. That’s going to be lovely when I get back over to Europe again.
it's like vinyl transition to cd . the sound, (pompidouesque)mechanicals and ceremony of vinyl, versus cd where most say they can't hear much difference ?
but that too, although the T3(disambiguating?) may have similar weight , for the windy stuff, the 1900+ kg of a current ev can't be disguised.
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I still firmly believe that some men had an issue with replacing 7” or 12” vinyl with 5” CDs.
And I absolutely could hear a difference. There were no pops, clicks or other assorted noises from the CD.
And I absolutely could hear a difference. There were no pops, clicks or other assorted noises from the CD.
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I’d struggled to decide which is actually more fun to thrash down a B road to be honest. My old Honda CRZ or the IPACE...
hows that for a bit of balance.
hows that for a bit of balance.
With modern cars becoming more capable and getting quieter due to legislations it’s getting harder to appreciate the benefits of a hot hatch, GT, Super/hyper car on the road. Full throttle for a few seconds and you’re over the speed limit in 2nd gear. There’s the worry of speed cameras and dashcam footage getting published when you run out of talent. The majority of performance cars now is purely pose factor down the local high street.
You really need to track cars like this, where the next question becomes - why not just buy a track specific car and tow it there.
You really need to track cars like this, where the next question becomes - why not just buy a track specific car and tow it there.
I don’t drive a diesel. If I did why would I claim a diesel auto is engaging anyway ???I wouldn't say it's less engaging in a BEV. I believe I have more feel for the road in one, particularly since the road is mostly what I can hear. It's hard to explain, but I don't miss wrenching through a manual gearbox and I don't believe doing that made me more engaged with the vehicle.
I'd bet that a majority of people claiming that BEVs are less engaging drive auto diesels anyway. Hardly the track beast experience that some people are reckoning they'll miss when they eventually have to jump to BEV. Nobody is commuting around in an Ariel Atom
It’s like any valid, experience driven, opinion is shut down here if it has any sentiment of ‘anti EV’.
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It’s not an exercise in pace. The Jag would destroy it, plus many other cars. The fact you are trying to look at it with numbers mean no matter how much explanation is offered you might not “get” it. It’s just the involvement driving a car rather than piloting a box of electrons.
My EV doesn’t have an sort of LSD. Traction management In inherently easier but would probably offer a small benefit to tighten the line under power. Don’t know have to be going so fast to incite any sort of liveliness it’s not a discussion for a UK B road.
That whole argument of too fast for the road is 100% valid for EV too. In fact the way they pick up off the lights is completely unnecessary for 90% of drivers and just fills the air with tyre particulates
yes I don't get in what way, it would destroy it.
so taycan can have an oem lsd - https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph...orque-vectoring-a-reason-to-be-cheerful/41444
the articles interesting explaining what a 2 motor ev can do better, versus an ice.
(also added a new phrase to my vocabulary straight line hero )