When are you going fully electric?

I don't need to use a random Google searches to base my EV buying decisions as my first EV an I3 lost 4% battery capacity after 4 years and 40K miles. My current Model 3 according to Scan my Tesla has lost ~1.5% capacity after 2 years and 15K miles. Still has the same range as the day I bought it when charged to 100% due to the small amount of buffer capacity.

Plenty of FUDsters trying to dissuade potential EV buyers around but they are failing pitifully looking at the current adoption rate.
 
FoxEye said:
Whilst not applicable to every EV, the early Leaf models (which are on the 2nd hand market about now) easily lost 20% capacity in 3 years. In fact in hotter parts of the US they were seen to lose 25% after just two years :eek:

It's interesting to note that today the best battery warranties out there are ~8 years/100k and a battery at 70% capacity at the end is considered working as intended.
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An ICE engine will lose performance and efficiency over time as well, an would suggest after 10 years would have lost at least 10%. Then there’s the oil changes and complexity leading to issues and breakdowns. Honestly, a gradual and predictable degradation I would take over random breakdown any day!

most modern battery’s and their management degrade far slower than the early ones. Heat and charge management play a large part meaning at 100k they’ll be down around 8% which after 100k miles I think is pretty good.

then as stated you’ll be able to sell it to utility or home storage and help to fund a new battery which, by 5 years time will be around £50/kWh or £5k for a p100d battery… or £2.5k for the average normal capacity. Not too bad. Think what maintenance on a 10year old diesel beemer would have cost!!
 
@FoxEye Your link shows that for anyone living pretty much anywhere in the UK, you can reasonably expect to to have ~80% battery capacity after 5 years and ~65% after 10 years.

That's on a Nissan leaf 24kwh, pretty much renowned for being the car with the worst battery degradation, due to poor active cooling / no liquid cooling.

You'd be pretty unlucky to lose more than 20% capacity after 5 years owning an EV in the UK.
 
An early leaf battery is about the oldest and worst example to find, and even then it will last decades if well cared for. This whole "replace the battery after 3 years" makes as much sense as saying "replace an ICE engine every 3 years" - it's simply not required in 99.99% of cases. An EV battery from today, as a used buy in 5 years, will be practically as good as new.

In 5 years time you'd be able to buy a Corsa E for, say, £8-10k, who's range will have dropped from 200 miles to 195 miles (if that)
In 10 years time you could buy it for £4-5k and it's range may have dropped to 190 miles.

For someone on a low income, a car for £5k requiring minimal maintenance, and no expensive petrol fuel would be a better proposition that a 10 year ICE car is now.
 
Yup, picks the first mass produced EV on the market with a frankly terrible BMS system that suffers in extreme heat (last time I checked the U.K. wasn’t a hot desert like Arizona) and completely ignores the second EV to hit the market - the Tesla Model S. On average they lose under 15% after 150k-200k miles driven. The vast majority of U.K. cars come close to seeing that kind of mileage. There is no reason why any other EV with a properly managed battery (basically anything that isn’t an easy leaf in a hot desert) can’t reach these numbers.

https://insideevs.com/news/429818/tesla-model-s-x-battery-capacity-degradation/

Now clearly the smaller the battery, the more cycles it will need but that is balanced by the fact smaller packs are in smaller more efficient cars than a Model S. Newer packs on the market now will last even longer. Manufacturers that were in this market early are now on their 3rd or 4th iteration of their battery chemistry.

You also couldn’t be more wrong about lithium tech moving slowly. When the Leaf came out batteries were over $1500/kwh, there now under $130 with most of the drop coming in the last few years. Cells are also significantly denser giving more capacity in the same volume.

You’d know that if you actually bothered to do any research on the topic other than trying to find things to confirm your own ignorance.
 
@FoxEye seems to be posting from an emotionally vested viewpoint. It's also misinformation to state that batteries are useless after 3 years. Your position seems to be based on Facebook group rant hearsay and nothing from own experience.
 
Will be good to see how current batteries hold up. BMS/active cooling could be a weak point. Have to consider battery quality too, they're not all created equal. Some smaller better batteries will probably outlast some larger battery packs.
Most should last 15years+ easily.
 
blun said:
In 5 years time you'd be able to buy a Corsa E for, say, £8-10k, who's range will have dropped from 200 miles to 195 miles (if that)
In 10 years time you could buy it for £4-5k and it's range may have dropped to 190 miles.

For someone on a low income, a car for £5k requiring minimal maintenance, and no expensive petrol fuel would be a better proposition that a 10 year ICE car is now.
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A used Corsa E will make a great car for most people in that market and have tiny running costs. Outside of depreciation, insurance (under £400/year) is the next biggest expense. I’m already seeing them under £22k as a pre reg (effectively brand new delivery miles). I don’t know why you would want to buy the ICE one as a brand new car if you have somewhere to charge it.
 
The services at Rugby look ace. Great to see infrastructure finally being properly beefed up.

East Midlands Designer Outlet has recently had 8 x 250kW Superchargers installed on the sly, too.
 
stuman said:
An ICE engine will lose performance and efficiency over time as well, an would suggest after 10 years would have lost at least 10%. Then there’s the oil changes and complexity leading to issues and breakdowns. Honestly, a gradual and predictable degradation I would take over random breakdown any day!

most modern battery’s and their management degrade far slower than the early ones. Heat and charge management play a large part meaning at 100k they’ll be down around 8% which after 100k miles I think is pretty good.

then as stated you’ll be able to sell it to utility or home storage and help to fund a new battery which, by 5 years time will be around £50/kWh or £5k for a p100d battery… or £2.5k for the average normal capacity. Not too bad. Think what maintenance on a 10year old diesel beemer would have cost!!
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I susprect our theoretical nurse would be a lot happier with her 10 year old battery than a 10 year old diesel with its legion of expensive and unreliable emission control devices.
 
Any negative points on the mg5ev?
I see that you cant prewarm but the thought of an estate ev is drawing me in.

Had estates for years and i don't think i could go back to the lack of boot space (with seats down) in a saloon.
Tip runs, diy materials and fetching large flat packed items are a regular theme.
 
RoboCod said:
@FoxEye seems to be posting from an emotionally vested viewpoint. It's also misinformation to state that batteries are useless after 3 years. Your position seems to be based on Facebook group rant hearsay and nothing from own experience.
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They'll never have first hand experience, as they are far too cheap to buy one anyhow, they'll run a crap old petrol/diesel forever even if spending £10/l on fuel, as they are a cut off nose to spite face type person.
 
m4rmite said:
Any negative points on the mg5ev?
I see that you cant prewarm but the thought of an estate ev is drawing me in.

Had estates for years and i don't think i could go back to the lack of boot space (with seats down) in a saloon.
Tip runs, diy materials and fetching large flat packed items are a regular theme.
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There's a good review here, one thing I took from it was that the suspension hadn't been updated for the UK market so it has a floaty ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FicZXj-1LyE
 
Fusion said:
East Midlands Designer Outlet has recently had 8 x 250kW Superchargers installed on the sly, too.
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Nice, although in those sorts of places it would be good to see a mix of chargers given you could spend hours there.

250kw are great if you want to a quick splash and dash but no so good if you want plug in and come back in a few hours. A lot of users would need to come back to the car in 30 mins and move it. Your average driver isn’t anywhere near as considerate as an EV early adopter when it comes to charging etiquette (e.g. don’t park in the charging pays unless you actually need to charge and move it when you have enough).

m4rmite said:
Any negative points on the mg5ev?
I see that you cant prewarm but the thought of an estate ev is drawing me in.

Had estates for years and i don't think i could go back to the lack of boot space (with seats down) in a saloon.
Tip runs, diy materials and fetching large flat packed items are a regular theme.
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It’s cheap and cheap and cheerful but seems to offer good value for the money.

The MG ZS EV is universally liked by owners and I haven’t seen anything to suggest the 5 would be any different.
 
m4rmite said:
Any negative points on the mg5ev?
I see that you cant prewarm but the thought of an estate ev is drawing me in.
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Are there any 3rd party pcp deals on these ?
future market values with increase in ev market offerings does seem a liability, so sharing that risk might be adviseable.
~ £300p/m 48 months 10K future value only 6Kmiles
but yes, can't see any other ev estate options on the horizon - alternative - an octavia phev seems like 5K more, or 308 phev ?

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saw my first Id3 pro this morning - dark grey they look well hewn ... but an i3 in white and black then drove past - they look more the part.
 
I personally went for a lease on my Ioniq as I knew I wouldn't want to buy it at the end with the way that the technology is moving on (plus got a very good deal). Just be careful of the 6k per year and excess mileage charge on that PCP, if you're planning on buying it at the end then that won't matter anyway.
 
Journey said:
They'll never have first hand experience, as they are far too cheap to buy one anyhow, they'll run a crap old petrol/diesel forever even if spending £10/l on fuel, as they are a cut off nose to spite face type person.
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LOL, I'm too cheap not to buy one. I've recently got a new job that is costing me £350-£400 per month just on fuelling my E92 M3 for the commute. A £250 lease is free motoring to my man maths!
 
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